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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#8166 of 24726 Re: Classic discussion.... [ljflx]
Mar 02, 2005 (8:00 pm)
Seen recent MB sales lately ?
Sales -- February 2005
Feb Feb Mth YTD YTD Yearly
Model '05 '04 % 2005 2004 %
C-class 4,020 5,819 -30.9% 7,568 10,582 -28.5%
E-class 2,596 3,965 -34.5% 5,321 7,831 -32.1%
S-class 1,028 1,354 -24.1% 2,092 2,807 -25.5%
CL-class 127 218 -41.7% 262 393 -33.3%
SL-class 835 1,232 -32.2% 1,512 2,454 -38.4%
CLK-class 1,459 1,488 -1.9% 2,684 2,896 -7.3%
SLK-class 1,062 305 248.2% 1,943 578 236.2%
CLS-class 1,358 n/a n/a 2,136 n/a n/a
M-class 944 1,666 -43.3% 1,924 3,525 -45.4%
G-class 84 127 -33.9% 172 277 -37.9%
TOTAL 13,513 16,174 -16.5% 25,614 31,343 -18.3%
#8167 of 24726 Re: Classic discussion.... [oac]
Mar 02, 2005 (8:10 pm)
Wow - I may have been too generous with the 3 years I gave them. This is gonna be a real bad year for MB and DCX. But the reliability was always a minor issue according to so many on this board, wasn't it? The so called passionate buyer will always put up with it. Maybe BMW's buyer, though I know that is somewhat of an overblown statement, but certaimly not MB's. I should go find posts I made 3 years ago saying this was inevitable. So is their fall from top lux brand in perception before too much longer. Of course you realize this will be translated to you and I saying they are going out of business which of curse we are not.
#8168 of 24726 And Lexus Feb 2005 Sales
Mar 02, 2005 (8:12 pm)
Model Feb Feb Change
2005 2004 %
ES 330 4,583 5,546 -17.4
LS 430 2,028 2,357 -14.0
SC 430 542 619 -12.4
GS 300 1,602 541 196.1
GS 430 345 107 222.4
IS 300 428 705 -39.3
LX 470 584 669 -12.7
GX 470 2,482 2,437 1.8
RX 330 7,131 7,564 -5.7
TOTAL 19,725 20,545 -4.0
The maligned 2006 GS twins are clearly doing well right out of the gate. But will they sustain the momentum ?
#8169 of 24726 BMW sales Feb 2005
Mar 02, 2005 (8:32 pm)
Just to keep the numbers honest...
Model Feb Feb Change
2005 2004 %
3-series 7,181 7,669 -6.3
5-series 3,794 7,072 -46.3
7-series 1,127 1,310 -13.9
#8170 of 24726 Audi Feb 2005 sales
Mar 02, 2005 (8:37 pm)
Model Feb Feb %change
A4 2,760 2,273 21.4
A6 1,264 789 60.2
A8/S8 338 424 -20.3
#8171 of 24726 Re: More of the same... [michael_mattox]
Mar 02, 2005 (9:09 pm)
Wrong on safety my friend. The A8 just was rated as one of the safest cars Ever tested. Regarding performance - zero to 60 times - are you kidding me? Like we are going to race our luxury cars zero to 60? Ridiculous. Just look at comparisons and you will find that the A8 comes out on top of most of them. An example - Edmonds.com 2 years running. Also Automobile Magazine.
#8172 of 24726 Re: tiag_m5 [ctsang]
Mar 02, 2005 (9:11 pm)
So much for "all the people you know". This sounds like so much "my dad is tougher than your dad".
#8173 of 24726 More Hype as Usual
Mar 02, 2005 (9:57 pm)
Its amazing the cycles we have here. Every year about this time we have the same harping about MB sales, yet each and every year-end its the same thing...a MB sales increase. Best example of meaningless hype if there ever was one.
Yet all the while the doom and gloom theorist continue with meaningless, baseless predictions.
Now we add to list of hysteria about buyers having pause over buying an MB because of MB's financial status, yet this is but a one person theory that has yet to be proven by anything other than the same old tired sales harping that we get on this board every year, usually in the first three months. Mercedes sales drop = crisis, Lexus sales drop = "The maligned 2006 GS twins are clearly doing well right out of the gate."
This is the same group so savvy about marketing trends and buyers habits yet doesn't realize that Jan-March are typically slow months for luxury car brands. Nearly every lux brand is down in sales for Jan and Feb, yet the only problem is with Mercedes who's buyers bought over 27K units in Dec, yet from Dec 31st to Feb 28th all of a sudden realized that shape that Mercedes' corporate ship is in and decided not to buy just that fast. This is the most ridiculous insinuation yet. Complete nonesense. All of a sudden for 2005 buyers have shifted and started reading whatever about MB so they quit buying in the span of two months.
Mar 02, 2005 (10:03 pm)
The thing in your reply that excited OAC is that you're trying to say that I said that the quality and financial well being of a company doesn't make any difference to buyers.
Stop. I said that the financial well being (basically all the Toyota profit stuff) of a company doesn't make a difference to most buyers. I have clearly said over and over that quality surveys and the like do keep buyers away from any brand that doesn't do well on them, including Mercedes. You're trying to tie your off-base theory about buyers caring about profits and corporate matters to them caring about reliability reports. The ultimate spin from you. They aren't the same thing.
If you aren't going to quote me correctly then please don't bother because that isn't what I said.
One minute buyers are clueless in buying a Mercedes because they are blinded by prestige and styling, yet in another they are way to smart to be fooled. Which is it?
Mar 02, 2005 (10:10 pm)
It never fails. Every year around this time we get the sales stuff from you and just like in the first quarter of 2004 sales were down for MB and BMW (last year), but they rebounded only to give MB and BMW increases for the year. You'll be proven wrong again at the close of 2005.
What is the point? Lexus had a drop in every model except their new GS and ditto for Mercedes except for their new CLS and SLK. They're in the same sales boat yet you and Ljlfx are predicting the worse for MB, yet Lexus had the same sales drop. Do you see why this obvious hype wasn't taken seriously last year and won't be for this year? The second (incorrect) straight year of this I might add.
How is what I said to Ljlfx in the "opposite direction". He implied something and no buyers on any board anywhere here even hinted at caring about what he says they should care about, the financial status and earning of a company. I never said that buyers didn't care about quality and reliability reports.