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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24697 messages, Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: michael_mattox (Feb 18, 2005 9:51 am) You recapped what I was saying very succinctly. Thank you for stepping in here. I was getting a bit frustrated with Merc's insistence on accusing me of making a statement that I never made. |
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Replying to: kyfdx (Feb 18, 2005 9:59 am) I have more than a passing knowledge of industrial metals. In case you did not know anything beyond your soft drink can (hey, your own choice of reference, it's only fair, right?  I supplied a link in one of my earlier posts: http://ussautomotive.com/auto/steelvsal/mechproperties.htm It's quite an informative site. Obviously, the industrial insiders find it quite purposeful discussing the intrinsic metallurgical properties without referencing specific crash A/B tests; kinda makes sense, you don't need to build a full size cardboard A8 to prove cardboard is a bad choice. Now what's the relevence to Audi, you ask, well, one of the Audi fans brought up that Aluminum (space frame) was what differentiiats Audi from VW. I was merely pointing out that the actual benefit from Aluminum construction in a vehicle as heavy as A8 is very questionable. Apparently the industrial insiders at the site referenced above concur; if you follow the link for a few pages you will actually see an in-depth analysis of the 2002 Audi A8 Space Frame Aluminum Intensive structure and its disadvantages. I should also point out that aluminum construction only accounts for something like 3% of all Audis sold in 2004! That's hardly a marquee identity. Just because you are not knowledgeable on a specific subject, don't assume others are equally ignorant.
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Replying to: denaliinpa (Feb 18, 2005 2:17 pm) No rebadged Chrysler necessary; Mercedes vehicles themselves are shoddy enough. I'd take a Toyota over any Mercedes, even at the same price point, much less Lexus. Look through your own list again. LS exceeds S by more than 50% in fleet representation. MB's volume leader is a sub-$30k compact (that's before the even more cheaply put together A/B class gets here; A/B class is the MB volume leader in practically every market that it has entered, at or below $20k base price), whereas Lexus' volume leader is a mid-sized vehicle close to $40k in base price. All the halo models only serve to spread the engineering resources extra thin. At about 35-40k units a year, Chevy sells more Corvettes than all the high performance models MB's combined, yet Chevy is not a high performance marquee due to its roster of low-end products. MB's claim to luxury marquee is likewise questionable when it has moved down market as fast as it has in the last decade.
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Replying to: sv7887 (Feb 18, 2005 2:58 pm) Even at $400k per vehicle, it takes 10k vehicles to break even (assuming the car manufacturing itself cost negligible amount of money . Either that or trim the engineering budget and let cars leave the factory with myriads of bugs due to a shoe-string engineering budget. One way to increase unit sales for a niche vehicle is prolonging the product cycle, but then the mfr ends up having an obsolete product line. MB seems to be trying some marketting trick with the Chrysler purchase: using the latter as some sort of life cycle extension program for obsolete MB platforms, so more unit sales can be generated. Exterior design is cheap, getting everything working together well inside takes real engineering budget, so it is a cheap trick to extend a platform's shelf life; every brand does that sort of thing with mid-cycle refreshes, but MB is trying to double the shelf life by giving Chrysler hand-me-downs. I wonder how quickly people are going to realize those hand-me-down "MB technology" on re-skinned Chryslers are little more than twice warmed left-overs. I will give it perhaps one year, before 300C piling up in the supply channel to multi-month proportions just like Crossfire has. |
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has substance that the Crossfire lacks. The 300C is the 300 to get while the 300C SRT-8 is awesome. Information and pictures of the 300C SRT-8: http://seriouswheels.com/top-2005-Chrysler-300C-SRT-8.htm Information on the Chrysler/Dodge LX cars (the big rwd cars): http://www.allpar.com/cars/lx/index.html The Magnum is perhaps the first cool American station wagon that has sold very well (55-57 Chevy Nomad didn't sell well).
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Here is the 1998 Chrysler Chronos concept car: http://conceptcars.free.fr/images/Chronos_image1.jpg http://www.allpar.com/cars/concepts/chronos.html 2005 Chrysler 300C SRT-8: http://fast-autos.net/chrysler/srt8.jpg http://www.allpar.com/cars/lx/srt8-chrysler.html Now the 1957 Chrysler 300C: http://www.allpar.com/cars/chrysler-300c.html The grilles of both Chryslers (57 and 05) look similar. Notice the lines in the middle of the 57 and 05 Chrysler's hoods. Also notice the rectangular taillights of both cars. The front end styling of the new Chrysler 300 is almost IDENTICAL to the front end styling of the 1998 Chrysler Chronos concept except for the slant of the new one. The Bentley Arnage... "Named for one of the most challenging corners on the Le Mans racing circuit, the Arnage was fittingly introduced at the French circuit in April of 1998." from autos.msn.com |
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I'd like a new aluminum Jaguar XJ8. The new XJR's aluminum chassis is 60 % stiffer than its predecessor and 40 per cent lighter than that of an equivalent steel body. http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jk/images/04jagxjbody.jpg http://www.jagweb.com/aj6eng/v8_performance.html (the new aluminum XJR has a 4.2 V-8) p.s. The 2005 Jaguar Super V8 is the flagship XJ and it weighs over 800 pounds less than the BMW 760Li. |
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Replying to: brightness04 (Feb 19, 2005 3:07 am)
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Replying to: xkss (Feb 19, 2005 4:45 am) "Cool" is in the eyes of behold. Magnum sales can not compare to Taurus wagon in its hey days, nor Focus wagon today. |
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Replying to: denaliinpa (Feb 19, 2005 6:37 am) That's certainly a very intelligent rebuttal. I will take it as you are unable to make any counter-argument to the points I made. Namely: (1) Lexus has higher significantly higher price of admission than MB does, even in the US (the difference is far greater in Europe) (2) Lexus average selling price is higher than that of MB, in the US and worldwide. What does that say about which is the higher end luxury marquee?? (3) Halo cars sold in relatively small numbers compared to the rest of the lineup do not make a high end maruqee. |
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