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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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ok...i did some research on sales volume. these are figures for year to date 04 vs 03. 04 03 Lexus IS 9972 13559 ES 79916 67762 RX 106531 92366 GX 35420 31376 LX 9846 9193 GS 1348 2078 SC 9708 10298 LS 32272 23895 Mercedes 04 03 C/sedan 60107 52382 C/coupe 5584 9779 C/wagon 3560 3821 CLK 10120 9802 CLK/conv. 12346 9428 E 53886 53240 E/wagon 5068 2443 SLK 7360 6023 SL 12885 13318 CL 2683 3377 S 20460 22940 M 25681 30018 G 1491 1980 CLS -- --- just think....10 different models. 15 total variations...not one re badged Chrysler among the bunch. convertibles, high performance coupes and sedans, all wheel drive versions, short and long wheel base availability, and even wagons. this is a complete portfolio for the luxury car buyer. like i said earlier...re badging Toyota's to create a so called luxury brand just doesn't cut in my opinion.
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Hi All, That Criteria would make Ford as much as a Marque as MB...They sell Lincolns at all sorts of prices..Include Jaguar and Volvo and they are a bonafide luxury car maker.. Using your logic Jaguar would not be considered a high end luxury car maker, given both the lack of variety and the fact two of its models (S-Type, X-Type) share platforms with Ford products..(Lincoln LS and Ford Mondeo) How about the XJ6 having a Ford derived V-6 in it? Does that diminish Jaguar in anyway?.. Supermarket like variety isn't the basis for calling an automaker upscale.. |
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Folks, I really think it is time to move on. We have beaten this particular thread of conversation into the ground. We're all entitled to define a luxury brand in the way that we believe it should be defined. None of us are going to convince anyone else to change his viewpoint by saying the same things over and over again. Everyone here has made his opinion very clear - it's time to agree to disagree where that applies. Let's find something else to talk about now. Thanks. |
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Hi All, I've been reading an older issue of Jaguar World in which it talks about the furor of Jaguar owners after the release of downmarket cars such as the X-Type and X-Type Wagon..Buyer loyalty has fallen and Jaguar isn't expected to make a profit until 2009.. I've always maintained that Ford is making a huge mistake by taking Jaguar downmarket. It's better to focus on the high end. Why risk infuriating a potential buyer of a 80K car for a X Type sale? When I went to have a look at the new XJ I was bothered by the strong resemblance the X-Type had to it..Better yet, the XJ simply lacked the "look" of a Jaguar..It seemed like something that had come out of a Ford design committee.. So the question begs..Is going downmarket the answer to the Euro luxury car woes? What I've said above applies to Mercedes as well...With all the downmarket models what was the point of buying Chrysler? It doesn't make any business sense to me.. Your comments Please, SV
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Replying to: kyfdx (Feb 18, 2005 10:22 am) Audi A8 a tiny bit behind the top 3.
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Replying to: michael_mattox (Feb 18, 2005 4:15 pm) even though i just purchased an Audi A8...Audi's brand awareness in the USA is not equal to the other German automakers. hopefully this version of the A8 will bridge the gap that now exists. as for going down market with cheaper models.... i believe it to be a necessity of the auto manufacturing business in todays market. every automaker needs to take advantage of cost savings to be competitive. i believe that all of the brands we see today will eventually be cut by a third within 20 years. Honda and Bmw ...i believe are the only independents left. most brands have merged or been purchased by their competitors. debates like the one that has been raging this past week will even be harder in the future. brand loyalty will be harder to come by.
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Replying to: carnaught (Feb 18, 2005 1:24 pm) |
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Replying to: denaliinpa (Feb 18, 2005 4:53 pm) Oh my !!! We finally get an agreement !!!!! Who said we can't get along ??? 
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http://money.cnn.com/2005/02/16/pf/autos/lexus.reut/index.htm Is it just me, or is this little story perhaps getting a little bit more coverage because it involves Lexus? |
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Replying to: michael_mattox (Feb 18, 2005 9:51 am) You recapped what I was saying very succinctly. Thank you for stepping in here. I was getting a bit frustrated with Merc's insistence on accusing me of making a statement that I never made. |
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