High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#7751 of 24700 Re: brightness04 [jvcn] by syswei Feb 18, 2005 (11:55 am)
Replying to: jvcn (Feb 18, 2005 11:44 am) I thought the choicest part was "The German Taxi and Hire Car Association (BZP) says that Mercedes' proportion of new taxi sales has fallen since the turn of the century from 70 per cent to 50 per cent."
#7752 of 24700 Re: oac [brightness04] by oac Feb 18, 2005 (11:57 am)
Replying to: brightness04 (Feb 18, 2005 6:20 am) We have what, 7-8k Lexus units sold in the US being over $50k, estimated very conservatively, before even counting any GS model at all. MB only sells 12-13k cars in the US a month. There is simply no way more than half of them are over $50k. MB has a lot of models, but precious little unit sales among its high end models Brightness: Thanks for this. You make my point better than I could make it myself, and backed up with some conservative estimates. Merc1's post is far more general and non-specific - more variants does not necessarily translate to more sales. It will appear that Lexus truly is the numero uno luxury car seller than MB or BMW ! Lexus sells more lux cars/trucks than their competition (they are #1 in sales in the US 3 years running), despite the higher macque/cache/brand recognition of MB or BMW over Lexus. What MB has are niche cars (S600/SL/CLS/AMGs) not necessarily luxury cars, since these sell in so low numbers. The mainstream luxury car seller, at least in the US, is Lexus. The numbers bear it out, and numbers don't lie, or do they ? Touche. Replies to this message: merc1 (Feb 20, 2005 10:19 pm) oac (Feb 21, 2005 5:33 pm) merc1 (Feb 21, 2005 10:12 pm) and 1 more...
#7753 of 24700 Re: Purpose of hybrid [designman] by oac Feb 18, 2005 (12:08 pm)
Replying to: designman (Feb 18, 2005 10:19 am) Designman: Hybrids will revolutionalize the auto industry within the next 5 years ! You know that already, right ? Just read an article where someone mentioned that the days of cheap gasoline are long over. Why ? Because of the HUGE demand from China and other fast growing markets due to their phenomenal growths. And Toyota has always been on the forefront of clairvoyance in the auto industry. They started the hybrids almost a decade ago, while the likes of Ford, GM, MB laughed and scoffed at hybrids. We'll see who'll be laughing in 5 years from now !!! Diesels in the US as an alternative ? Get real !
#7754 of 24700 Oac by designman Feb 18, 2005 (12:54 pm)
Yes, Toyota is methodical, deliberate, pragmatic and patient. By comparison all of the others seem to live for today… instant profits. Toyota is also into researching and developing the other alternate-energy vehicles and will be ready to pounce on hydrogen when it’s ready years down the road. But this will require a monolithic effort among government and many industries. That said, they still gave us Quasimoto. I am going to try to get a test drive tomorrow. Replies to this message: oac (Feb 18, 2005 1:29 pm)
#7755 of 24700 Re: [denaliinpa] by carnaught Feb 18, 2005 (1:24 pm)
Replying to: denaliinpa (Feb 17, 2005 6:45 pm) How 'bout the GMC Denali or Cadillac Escalade ....aka....Chevy Tahoe? More wannabes? Replies to this message: denaliinpa (Feb 18, 2005 4:59 pm)
#7756 of 24700 Re: Oac [designman] by oac Feb 18, 2005 (1:29 pm)
Replying to: designman (Feb 18, 2005 12:54 pm) That said, they still gave us Quasimoto. I am going to try to get a test drive tomorrow. Quasimoto ? Would that not be the "Hunchback of Notre Dame" ? Are you refering to the GS ? (hehehehe... ) I will LOVE to hear/read of your test drive of the GS, if you can get one. So what am I doing wrong that my dealer hasn't called me yet ? I gotta find out and do my own test drive soon.
#7757 of 24700 Sales volume by denaliinpa Feb 18, 2005 (2:17 pm)
ok...i did some research on sales volume. these are figures for year to date 04 vs 03. 04 03 Lexus IS 9972 13559 ES 79916 67762 RX 106531 92366 GX 35420 31376 LX 9846 9193 GS 1348 2078 SC 9708 10298 LS 32272 23895 Mercedes 04 03 C/sedan 60107 52382 C/coupe 5584 9779 C/wagon 3560 3821 CLK 10120 9802 CLK/conv. 12346 9428 E 53886 53240 E/wagon 5068 2443 SLK 7360 6023 SL 12885 13318 CL 2683 3377 S 20460 22940 M 25681 30018 G 1491 1980 CLS -- --- just think....10 different models. 15 total variations...not one re badged Chrysler among the bunch. convertibles, high performance coupes and sedans, all wheel drive versions, short and long wheel base availability, and even wagons. this is a complete portfolio for the luxury car buyer. like i said earlier...re badging Toyota's to create a so called luxury brand just doesn't cut in my opinion. Replies to this message: brightness04 (Feb 19, 2005 3:07 am) denaliinpa (Feb 19, 2005 6:37 am) brightness04 (Feb 19, 2005 6:46 am)
#7758 of 24700 Luxury Brands... by sv7887 Feb 18, 2005 (2:27 pm)
Hi All, That Criteria would make Ford as much as a Marque as MB...They sell Lincolns at all sorts of prices..Include Jaguar and Volvo and they are a bonafide luxury car maker.. Using your logic Jaguar would not be considered a high end luxury car maker, given both the lack of variety and the fact two of its models (S-Type, X-Type) share platforms with Ford products..(Lincoln LS and Ford Mondeo) How about the XJ6 having a Ford derived V-6 in it? Does that diminish Jaguar in anyway?.. Supermarket like variety isn't the basis for calling an automaker upscale..
#7759 of 24700 Let's move on by pat HOST Feb 18, 2005 (2:41 pm)
Folks, I really think it is time to move on. We have beaten this particular thread of conversation into the ground. We're all entitled to define a luxury brand in the way that we believe it should be defined. None of us are going to convince anyone else to change his viewpoint by saying the same things over and over again. Everyone here has made his opinion very clear - it's time to agree to disagree where that applies. Let's find something else to talk about now. Thanks.
#7760 of 24700 Next topic... by sv7887 Feb 18, 2005 (2:58 pm)
Hi All, I've been reading an older issue of Jaguar World in which it talks about the furor of Jaguar owners after the release of downmarket cars such as the X-Type and X-Type Wagon..Buyer loyalty has fallen and Jaguar isn't expected to make a profit until 2009.. I've always maintained that Ford is making a huge mistake by taking Jaguar downmarket. It's better to focus on the high end. Why risk infuriating a potential buyer of a 80K car for a X Type sale? When I went to have a look at the new XJ I was bothered by the strong resemblance the X-Type had to it..Better yet, the XJ simply lacked the "look" of a Jaguar..It seemed like something that had come out of a Ford design committee.. So the question begs..Is going downmarket the answer to the Euro luxury car woes? What I've said above applies to Mercedes as well...With all the downmarket models what was the point of buying Chrysler? It doesn't make any business sense to me.. Your comments Please, SV Replies to this message: brightness04 (Feb 19, 2005 3:28 am)