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24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: merc1 (Feb 17, 2005 11:48 pm) Your comment about Aluminum and what Brightness said is totally unfair and incorrect....He has pointed that out to you, yet you continue to come back to the same OLD LINE over and over again..Not Nice, Not accurate and Not very Honest on your part. TO BE CLEAR...He said Aluminum is less save then Steel...not that the A8 is less safe then an LS or any other specific car...Reason being Aluminum is more brittle and because of that doesn't Crumple as well as Steel...it also has a lower burn point then steel. (This is from memory and if brightness thinks I have misquoted him I hope he will correct me.) I personally know nothing about the Properities of Aluminum but it seems Brightness does...and You have not posted anything to factually refute what he has said.
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Replying to: michael_mattox (Feb 18, 2005 9:51 am) Just because steel in its raw form is heavier than aluminum, doesn't mean that anything brightness04 said about it is correct.. Why refute a point that hasn't been made?.. I've seen nothing that implies any special knowledge or experience about aluminum.. other than maybe his soft drink comes in an aluminum can.. And, unless it implies something about the relative safety of the Audi A8, itself, then what possible relevance could it have? Just a way to snipe at the Audi, if you ask me.. regards, kyfdx |
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Replying to: denaliinpa (Feb 18, 2005 5:53 am) My comment was made because you seemed to be fixated on Horse Power...and Speed...LEXUS LS is faster then the Audi A8... |
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Replying to: kyfdx (Feb 18, 2005 9:59 am) It does say something about the relative safety of the A8...It says that car would be Safer and less costly to repair if it were made of Steel. Brightness said Aluminum is more Brittle then steel...do you have any knowledge that it is not? Brightness said that Aluminum Burns at a lower tempture then Steel...Do you have any knowledge that it does not? Birghtness said that Aluminum is more expensive to repair then steel...Do you have any knowledge that it is not? I noticed YOU did not give anything to refute the comments by Brightness...If you disagree show us something.
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Although improved emissions come with hybrid technology, less dependency on fossil fuel is the major consideration. Not that anyone said otherwise. It seems BMW is really dawdling with this. They have to get their butt going.
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Replying to: michael_mattox (Feb 18, 2005 10:09 am) But, I haven't heard anything from brightness04 that makes me think he knows much about it, either.. Because, if he did know much... we'd hear something specifically about the aluminum body panels on an Audi vs. steel on a Lexus.. and not some irrelevant babble about lower ignition temperatures... So, I disagree that any of brightness04 claims have anything to do with the safety of the Audi A8.. Regardless if they are factual or not... If you want to discuss the properties of aluminum vs. steel, perhaps there is some sort of chemical/metallurgical website you could visit.. Because, nothing stated about it so far, has anything to do with cars... To sum up yours and brightness 04's arguments: Lexus... GOOD All others.. BAD That should just about wrap it up for you... what are you going to talk about now? regards, kyfdx
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Ah, let them all shake the brand pom poms. My car is better than yours... round in circles... yaddy yadda. Ljflx... I always enjoy your marketing takes. What's your 5-year prognosis for all of the brands in question here? |
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Thanks designman, all this "my car/brand is better than yours" is headache-making and certainly not convincing anyone of anything. Let's move on with other conversation. |
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Replying to: designman (Feb 18, 2005 10:19 am) |
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Replying to: ljflx (Feb 18, 2005 7:39 am) I think that everyone prefers to buy something that has been made in his own country, right? But the real reason, IMO, why for Lexus it's harder to compete in Europe is that transportation from Japan to Europe is longer than from Japan to the US. Are Lexus built in the US (I don't know that they are)? As for Marketing: what are the German carmakers offering in Europe? A completely customized product. They can do that because they can deliever a car in about a month, if there is no waiting list. They can't do that in the US because Transportation is about a month (or so???). The Japanese have done the only possible thing (I can think of), to offer an (almost) fully equiped vehicle. I give them credit for that. 'Z' Germans believe they can make more profit with their option 'book' (it's too long to be a list). The other factor we shouldn't forget here is that the US is pretty much a primary market for Lexus (if not more important than Japan). For 'Z' Germans it's a secondary market. You can just see that at the limited product lines.
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