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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24697 messages, Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: denaliinpa (Feb 18, 2005 6:10 am) if the post earlier is correct that Lexus has 250 dealers in the US....they're in more trouble in Europe marketing their brand than anybody is admitting. How long has Lexus been in Europe? 1yr, 2yr? How many models has Lexus developed with Europen market in mind? Zero? when it comes to barking about MB and the other German brands having smaller cars in Europe...i find it ridiculous. What's so ridiculous about it? The best selling MB model in most European countries is A-class, an econobox priced around $20k, followed by C-class, a decontented compact priced at or below $30k. How does that jive with "High End Luxury Marquee"? Lexus' lowest vehicle sells at about $35k, with the most popular model typically sold at over $40k. A maker of cheap cars that also sells a few halo cars is not a luxury marquee; Chevy, Ford and Dodge are not luxury or sports marquees despite their Corvette, 550hp GT and Viper. |
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From the some of the discussion here, I think some people aren't aware that MB has brought the E320 CDI to the U.S. for the 2005 model year. It is pretty impressive: E320... 0-60 7.1, 19/27 mpg E320 CDI... 6.6, 27/37 and the MSRP is only $1850 higher. Of course hybrid technology is getting 99% of the press attention, so I imagine that the RX hybrid will easily outsell the E320 CDI. Does anyone know what will happen when air quality standards are tightened, I think in 2006, before low-sulphur diesel makes it to market?
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Replying to: denaliinpa (Feb 18, 2005 6:10 am) Of course it does. Cadillac is a luxury brand, and so is Toyota Crown (a line of cars). Comes to think of it, Maybach and the new Rolls have been successful in no market at all. Yet they are still bona fide high end luxury marquees. Luxury marquees get damaged when they stoop down to make cheap cars like Cadillac did back in the 70's and 80's, which gave rise to MB and BMW in the US to begin with. |
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Replying to: denaliinpa (Feb 18, 2005 6:10 am) Now Europe is a very nationalistic society. They want their goods built there. They don't care if the company is not European but they want the goods built in Europe. Importing is a last alternative to that society. But if the EU doesn't open it up for Lexus wait to you see how quickly Japan shuts it down for the Europeans. This part isn't about car tastes, it's about regulations that can be changed by municipalities. As I said, I'd look at the fact that Lexus sold 20K cars with virtually no effort and the fact that they are quickly penetrating England with a lot of fear if I were a German lux make. What happened in the US is inevitable in Europe. Selling nearly 300K cars in the US thru 240 dealershios is a real scary efficiency that I'd worry about too. A great product at a lower price point that equals or surpasses the home grown product cannot be denied. That is business 101.
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Replying to: syswei (Feb 18, 2005 6:42 am) BTW, MB plans to bring out a hybrid too...with a Diesel engine.
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Replying to: rl81 (Feb 18, 2005 8:38 am) I do understand that the technology is clean enough. In the U.S. we need cleaner, lower-sulphur diesel fuel to go with the engines. Not clear to me if the fuel price goes up when the sulphur content gets reduced.
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Replying to: oac (Feb 17, 2005 10:47 pm) To the point and lays it out right on the money..At least in my Opinion. |
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Replying to: syswei (Feb 18, 2005 9:23 am) |
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Replying to: merc1 (Feb 17, 2005 11:48 pm) Your comment about Aluminum and what Brightness said is totally unfair and incorrect....He has pointed that out to you, yet you continue to come back to the same OLD LINE over and over again..Not Nice, Not accurate and Not very Honest on your part. TO BE CLEAR...He said Aluminum is less save then Steel...not that the A8 is less safe then an LS or any other specific car...Reason being Aluminum is more brittle and because of that doesn't Crumple as well as Steel...it also has a lower burn point then steel. (This is from memory and if brightness thinks I have misquoted him I hope he will correct me.) I personally know nothing about the Properities of Aluminum but it seems Brightness does...and You have not posted anything to factually refute what he has said.
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Replying to: michael_mattox (Feb 18, 2005 9:51 am) Just because steel in its raw form is heavier than aluminum, doesn't mean that anything brightness04 said about it is correct.. Why refute a point that hasn't been made?.. I've seen nothing that implies any special knowledge or experience about aluminum.. other than maybe his soft drink comes in an aluminum can.. And, unless it implies something about the relative safety of the Audi A8, itself, then what possible relevance could it have? Just a way to snipe at the Audi, if you ask me.. regards, kyfdx |
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