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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
Feb 02, 2005 (9:30 pm)
"Do you like it better than current model - at least based on pictures?"
Kinda hard to say based on spy pictures. What I'm sure I don't like is that character line down the side. It is the same line on the new SLK which is such a widely used technique today, something a Mercedes isn't supposed to use, imo. The new S is much larger though, about the size of the 1992-1999 W140 model. There is also a new interior shot floating around that looks nothing like the one first seen last year, you know the one that made it look like a 7-Series clone. In recent years I haven't responded well to MB bodystyle changes at first, like the 1996 E-Class or the 2001 C-Class or the new CLS, but after I seem them in person and on the road I ended up liking them quite a bit. So I'll just wait until Sept 11-13 (Media days for the Frankfurt Auto Show) to see the real thing, that is if MB doesn't release an official picture before then.
#7402 of 24726 Styling....
Feb 02, 2005 (9:31 pm)
The Phaeton and A8 have the segment on looks if nothing else, nothing besides the S-Class is even close.
#7403 of 24726 Re: .. Merc 1 ....
Feb 03, 2005 (6:00 am)
.. **Maybe one day I'll be able to pick up a slightly used 2004-5 Phaeton V8 for an unbelievable price????** ...
They're going for cheap monies right now .. 04 Phaeton V8's with only 5/7k are only doing the $43/$44 range at the auctions, I would think a dealer would probably cut one from the herd for the $46/$47 range, thats quite a whoopin' for a vehicle that had a $70,000+ sticker - Ouch.! ... that said, they did have a killer lease going on for awhile - $699 X 36, with $999 out of pocket ...
Feb 03, 2005 (6:27 am)
Styling is pretty bland across the whole segment..I nearly bought an S430, but it wasn't for looks either..I don't find the Phaeton or A8 anything special lookswise..The only car I that I thought was a head turner was the previous generation XJ8..The new one lacks the flair of the previous car..That said, the new XJ is alot more practical in regard to headroom. I'll be the first to admit my new LS430 is bland, but then again there really isn't anything out there that's especially good..
I think the best looking cars where the mid 80's MB S Class and SL..The Early Lexus LS,SC, and ES are a close second. There is a dealer in MA (Hatch & Sons) that sells very low mileage late model Mercedes cars..Next time, instead of buying new, I might picked up a late 80's SL..It still looks good today.What a classy design!
#7405 of 24726 Re: .. Merc 1 .... [rroyce10]
Feb 03, 2005 (10:24 am)
Can only speak for the West Coast, but there are no 2004s left...I have one, but it is my Service Loaner...
#7406 of 24726 Re: .. Merc 1 .... [vwguild2]
Feb 03, 2005 (1:03 pm)
.. **...I have one, but it is my Service Loaner...**
Thats pretty sad .........
#7407 of 24726 Re: .. Merc 1 .... [rroyce10]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
Feb 03, 2005 (1:10 pm)
If I buy a VW.. (say, a Jetta), could you get me a really crappy one.. that might be in the shop a lot?
#7408 of 24726 Re: ljflx [merc1]
Feb 03, 2005 (1:43 pm)
Merc- Automobile, which I just received, has a picture in this months issue. I know what you mean about the line and about the styling. The car is large so it will have to be seen in person for an honest appraisal. Back is very much a Maybach look and I don't know if that is good or bad. MB trying to capitalize on an ultra-brand?? Hope not - it is too soon for that and I would think they want and need exclusivity in the Maybach. Based on the pix - I prefer the current model but a look at the metal in person is needed for a real opinion.
#7409 of 24726 rroyce10
Feb 04, 2005 (2:34 pm)
Well Terry those $40's are nice, but still a little beyond me at this point. I figure in a couple of years a nice 2004 or 2005 model will be just right in price.
Yeah I think its best to wait for that ever important first official photo from MB. The only think I want them to take from the Maybach is its stunning interior quality and features. I wouldn't want any of the Maybach's design, interior or exterior present on the S-Class. It does look like they are going for a variation of the Maybach's rear end on the S. We'll see.
In other news I got an email from Maserati today, I'm going to be their guest again at the Chicago Auto Show next week. I'll get to experience the Masers up close and if I'm lucky maybe they'll open one of the Ferraris this year. Isn't life grand!
#7410 of 24726 Interesting read
Feb 06, 2005 (9:55 am)
From today's NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/06/automobiles/06AUTO.html?oref=lo- - - - gin
What most surprises me is that BMW really expects people to go to school to learn about I-drive. Do they really think anyone has the time or patience to deal with something as inconsequential, needless to say useless, as I-drive. The MB dealerships comments to the MB owner come in second place. I would think that since Lexus passed on anything like I-drive for the new GS that they at least have common sense. Let's hope they keep it with the new LS. I see MB has fallen into the trap with the S-class. Don't they have enough electronic problems as it is? Seems the German mfrs. need to learn things the hard way these days.