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Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#7357 of 24726 2006 7-Series
Jan 27, 2005 (10:33 pm)
Well it is official. The facelifted 7-Series will be shown at the Geneva Motorshow in March. The 325hp 745i becomes the 360hp 750i/Li with a new 4.8L V8. The 760i/Li stays put with 438hp. I'm hard pressed to see that much difference in the styling. Two articles:
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=8045&sid=17- - - - - 3&n=156
the more in-depth one with the pictures:
http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2050127.007/page/1/l- - - - - ang/eng/bmw/1.html
The back side just has a few changes to the lamps and a chrome bar, the trunklid itself is the same ugly piece it has always been.
Note: I wonder if the U.S. market will finally get the entry level V8, the 740i/Li. It has been upgraded too, 306hp. The exact same hp rating as the European Mercedes S500. Mercedes and BMW being marketers of each others cars is the saying in Europe, so now you get an idea what the hp ratings for the new S-Class engine range will be.
#7358 of 24726 Segment Sales...2004
Jan 28, 2005 (1:24 am)
Lexus LS430 - 32,272
Mercedes S-Class - 20,460
BMW 7-Series - 16,155
Jaguar XJ - 10,552
Audi A8 - 5,942
VW Phaeton - 1,939
Maserati Quattroporte - 425
[Sources: Germancarfans.com, autosite.com, Autoweek.com]
Very intesting. The LS ran away with the segment, yet the oldest car is still in 2nd place. Big improvement for the A8, but Phaeton is just not considered. The Maserati is too exotic to ever be more than an a extreme niche player.
Jan 28, 2005 (5:47 am)
DEFINITELY an improvement. This morph is a study in how extreme details can wreck the look of a car. The only change for the worse is the emphasized crease on the hood a la E90 —too much contrast with the overall round contours, and the lone link to surface flaming. And I wish they would lose that chrome-banded wolverine look on the skull. I see the Infiniti M has hitchhiked onto that nonsense.
There are many subtle revisions and it is clear to me that they made an effort to address the styling problems BMW enthusiasts are moaning about. I am encouraged because they are showing signs of coming back to us.
Can't wait for the next completely new platforms and a 5 facelift.
#7360 of 24726 Re: Segment Sales...2004 [merc1]
Jan 28, 2005 (8:06 am)
What period of time does these sales figures cover?
Jan 28, 2005 (8:11 am)
Those are calendar year 2004 sales figures.
#7362 of 24726 Re: Facelifted 7 [designman]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
Jan 28, 2005 (8:45 am)
I agree.. subtle changes can make a big difference.. I never got the 745i tail light treatment, until I came up on it from the rear at night.. The lights line up nicely then, but are completely off when viewing it in the daytime.. The facelift (buttlift?) brings the rear look closer to the 5-series... Which is still not great.... but, much better..
Jan 28, 2005 (8:46 am)
The horsepower wars continue.. 360 hp on the base 7-series..
#7364 of 24726 Re: Segment Sales...2004 [merc1]
Jan 28, 2005 (8:48 am)
I gotta hand it to you...."The oldest car is in second place...
NOW THAT IS TURNING A LEMON INTO LEMONAID.
#7365 of 24726 Re: Oh... [kyfdx]
Jan 28, 2005 (10:18 am)
Yes, but that 360hp only does a 5.8s 0-60. What's that ? The '05 LS430 does that already with a motor that is 70hp less. Must be the new 7 is bloated with more weight, eh ?
Jan 28, 2005 (10:32 am)
I don't know.. Edmunds shows 5.9 for the Lexus.. and BMW claims the same for the current 745i..
But, more weight is right.. about 475 lbs. more.. I wouldn't exactly say bloated, though.. The Lexus is very light for a full-sized car.. You have to like that..
Bloated? That would be the Mercedes..