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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#7023 of 24723 Re: Another Lexus convert ? [garyh1]
Dec 09, 2004 (6:08 am)
I would love to continue with BMW. I have leased them since 1993 and am addicted to the ride. I don't believe it is worth the potential risks anymore so I will be going with the LS next summer. The only thing that could change my mind would be a dramatic improvement in the reliability stats for BMW between now and August. I do not anticipate this happening, however. Very sad.
#7024 of 24723 The prodigal brand
Dec 09, 2004 (6:38 am)
"I would love to continue with BMW. I have leased them since 1993 and am addicted to the ride. I don't believe it is worth the potential risks anymore…"
I feel the same way although I am willing to sacrifice a little reliability for the passion of driving a car I love. Then there's styling. BMW is going over my threshhold. They have to shape up before I buy another sedan. The only vehicle that appeals to me is the X3. However my wife and I both love our 03 530 so it's a tale of two cities.
With regard to retained value I'm not sure BMW can keep this up. I think they are still living off the previous generation.
#7025 of 24723 BMW still best with retained value
Dec 09, 2004 (6:39 am)
According to Automotive Lease Guide
Luxury Brand Residual Value Rankings
Industry Brand Residual Value Rankings
Compact - Mini Cooper
Mid Size - Nissan Altima
Sports - SLK
Near Luxury - Nissan Infiniti G35
Luxury - Mercedes CLK
Mini Van - Honda Odyssey
Compact SUV - Honda CRV
Midsize SUV - Toyota 4Runner
CUV - Volvo XC90
Full Size SUV - Toyota Sequoia
Compact Truck - Toyota Tacoma
Interesting how MB has two category winners yet they are only fourth by brand.
#7026 of 24723 Re: The prodigal brand [designman]
Dec 09, 2004 (7:20 am)
I am not talking about sacrificing a "little reliability." When and if idrive crashes, the car is completely paralyzed. And according to many 5 series drivers, it can take a long time for the dealer to fix. From the number of complaints posted in various places, it seems too much of a risk to get a 5 series at this time. I would be driving "scared"-always thinking about being stranded-or even worse-a complete power failure at 85 mph on the interstate with a tailgater 5 inches from my rear bumper. That is why I have decided to go with the LS 430 next summer.
#7027 of 24723 Re: Another Lexus convert ? [hpowders]
Dec 09, 2004 (8:17 am)
OAC and I are trying hard to find out when the next LS debuts. Consumer reports buying guide says it is 2006 but other places say 2007. My sales guy told me (off the record of course) its spring 2006 as a 2007 but that is not set in stone. I have a feeling they will come out with a 5.0 V8 first then add in the hybrid option and then later roll out that super hybrid with over 600HP they have leaked to the auto mags. Time will tell but just a heads-up to track the development of the new model since August is so nearby to that next car. One thing they will do is spice up the car to the LFS sportier look and continue to tighten up the handling but they will never sacrifice the luxury or spectacular ride quality the car is reknowned for. Even the Eyro suspension maintains nearly all of the great ride.
Designman - it truly is a great car with reliability that you can bank on. I read that news on the 5 in CR as they felt it gave you everything - sport handling, reliability and plenty of luxury. You know of course the car it displaced was the LS which held that thrown for as long as I can remember. With the 5 falling from grace I would assume the LS is back on top. That 5-series was just a bully. "Now run downstairs and tell Harvey to come on up. HEY HARVEY"!
Dec 09, 2004 (10:22 am)
Nothin' doin' with Ha-ha-har-r-rvey... says he doesn't want any trouble with Ralph.
#7029 of 24723 When does idrive work best?
Dec 09, 2004 (2:00 pm)
Best line in the latest Automobile Magazine:"idrive works best when parked." Wish I would have thought of that!
#7030 of 24723 Saddest line in the latest Automobile Magazine
Dec 09, 2004 (2:03 pm)
Regarding the new 5 series and 7 series: "BMW, you're breaking our hearts."
#7031 of 24723 apt description of the 7 series
Dec 09, 2004 (2:07 pm)
"As imposing as a 2-ton piranha and about as friendly." From the latest Automobile Magazine.
Dec 10, 2004 (2:04 pm)
You sound like me. BMW is grounded and got sent to their rooms. But you won't get any arguments from the happy campers around here They'll just add fuel to the fire.
In the 5-series threads a lot of this got discussed last year and many were POed, livid. Now that there are a lot of new 5-series owners the moaning has died down. But the schism continues. Some previously loyal BMW owners want no part of these new cars and I think it will be this way for several years if not forever.