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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#6761 of 24726 livingbmw
Sep 21, 2004 (12:47 pm)
So OK you sell BMWs and have a fleet at your disposal. Big deal. You do not represent the norm of the buying public. I am refering to designman who does not own a dealership, does not have a fleet of BMWs at his whim and disposal anytime, and can be far more objective as an independent buying public not a car salesman.
Now if you can objectively evaluate an '04 LS with 18" wheels and sport-tuned suspension, against your vaunted 745i, or 540i, then come back here and let us know your finding on such tests.
I suppose you don't need me to remind you of the Dec 2003 C&D test of BMW, MB, Jag, Audi, Phaeton and Lexus ??? And the ultimate winner ?? Right ???
#6762 of 24726 OOps, did I hit a nerve?
Sep 21, 2004 (2:59 pm)
Anyone who wants to buy a Jag, Audi, or Phaeton over a BMW is probably not making a real good decision. I wouldn't be so quick to say the same about one that chooses the Lexus or MB because it depends on what you want. Car and Driver got a lot of buzz over picking the BMW last, perhaps, even a few laughs. I suppose that if I would have went out and bought a Phaeton over a 7 series based on what C&D claimed than I would be cancelling my subscription.
Additionally, I've driven the LS and it's a great car, but not quite the "ultimate".
Sep 21, 2004 (3:34 pm)
Oac… I’d like to try that LS with sport but wasn’t there talk around here that it’s almost impossible to get a test drive because they don’t have any in stock?
Ljflx… aggressive but defensive? Tell it to the judge… license please
Forget which mag it was but even though they reviewed the LS favorably, they knocked it on intrusive stability control. They said it kicks in too soon and is not good if you corner aggressively, getting automatic braking when you don’t want or need it.
#6764 of 24726 Re: [designman]
Sep 21, 2004 (4:40 pm)
I drove the LS at a ride and drive event in arlington (chicago). True, on the stability control being a bit intrusive but it offered the nicest combination of luxury, fit and finish and performance was good. It feels a little more like a big car but isn't nearly as clumsy as the mercedes.
The same ride and drive event had a 330 versus competitive sedans, the acura, infiniti and IS300. Also had the 4.4 X5, the Tourag and MB (no cayenne, that would have been fun).
I've been to ride and drives from several different manufacturers (toyota, chevrolet, volvo). BMW has the most neutral presentation and best professional drivers for sure (John Paul, Al Unser, among others). Sometimes it's just propaganda and talking points but the BMW events would be a blast for the average joe off the street.
#6765 of 24726 Close but not quite the same
Sep 21, 2004 (4:46 pm)
Last month I attended the Lexus Taste of Luxury event at Raceway Park in NJ. One of the four courses was a series of cars following a lead vehicle through a banked, winding track. I was able run the course with back to back drives in a 745i with 19" wheels, an S430 Sport, an LS with the Sport Suspension & 18" wheels and an E320 with the base suspension. The 745i really was the best handling of those four. The LS with the Sport supsension really didn't feel anything like the BMW in my opinion. I wanted to test the "base" LS right after getting out of the "sport" LS, but I ran out of time.
Check to see if the event is running in a city near you. I also attended the Mercedes C-spot, the GM Autoshow in Motion and next month I will be attending the Love Mercedes event. So far, the Lexus event was the most impressive. These manufacturer events are in my opinion the greatest way to "test them all" and see which ones fit you best.
#6766 of 24726 cornell
Sep 21, 2004 (5:52 pm)
Thanks. Finally someone with real-world test of these high-end lux-sport cars.
Can you add a little more information on your test drives ? How would you rank these cars in
- luxury ride
- overall "must-have-one" feeling !
Will appreciate your thoughts on these.
#6767 of 24726 Re: Close but not quite the same [cornellpinoy]
Sep 21, 2004 (7:11 pm)
How did I miss that one? I live within a (long) stones throw away.
#6769 of 24726 2000 A8L, 740IL or S series??
Sep 24, 2004 (5:00 pm)
Looking to buy a big car that would fit my 6'6" frame along with my tall kids. I like performance as much as luxury and will be driving in Denver winter conditions. I probably can only afford a pre-owned 2000 Audi, BMW or MB in the 30ish K range (low for MB). Which has the best track record as far as reliability? How do these German cars compare? Is it crazy to own one of these cars without a warranty?
#6770 of 24726 Re: 2000 A8L, 740IL or S series?? [tiny1]
Sep 24, 2004 (6:28 pm)
I'm 6 ft 3 inches and with seat on the bottom, I can put my doubled up fist on top of my head in the Lexus LS430. I think you would find the Lexus ES300/330 a tight fit. As for ice & snow, the LS 430 is a rear wheel drive like the BMWs and MBs. You would need to get the top of the line snow tires. I believe the Lexus has the best reliability record. I would stretch the purchase to a 2001 if possible, NADA Trade in Value at 50,000 miles at 37K and Dealer Retail at 42K. I note the 2000 LS 430 at 60,000 miles is 25K and 29K. Quite a difference but the car is the upgrade year 2001 if I recall correctly. Also take a look at post 6390 & 6391 in the Lexus LS forum (this web site). As for warranty, you can only buy the Lexus Factory Extended Warranty up to 36 months and/or 36K miles, whichever comes first. I'm sure there are some after market policies out there. Good luck.