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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#6531 of 24723 Re: michael_mattox [michael_mattox]
Aug 02, 2004 (9:05 am)
I thought you said you were going to let this thing go? Yet you keep bringing it up.
"It is true putting a lot of HP into fwd was very creative and innovative ...The fact that no one else COULD do it is a testiment to good old American engineering....IT WORKED GREAT. The Car is classically beautiful even today."
How is putting a V8 for FWD duty creative? The only difference between this and most other FWD cars was that they had a max of 6-cylinders. It's not a big deal, nor is it creative, just because you fit a V8 under the hood! And it's not that "no else COULD do it", it is that no one else WANTED to do it. The luxury car class has always been about RWD, the only difference is that it took GM nearly 2 decades to figure it out and is now finally switching to RWD.
Personally, I don't think the Allante was all that good looking back then to begin with and was no match for the Benz SL500/320/600, which still look absolutely beautiful today, 15 years after introduction.
"The SL was a fine car but as you have stated was outdated (and looked it) and was just not as good as the ALLANTE in 93. I am sure it was updated in later yrs. (at least I hope so)"
The SL was outdated? Please stop! The SL500 didn't even become outdated in 1998, which is why it was still selling strongly at the end of it's life-cycle vs. the Allante which entered car heaven only a few years after introduction. The SL in the same body style lasted for over a decade.
#6532 of 24723 Re: michael_mattox [maxhonda99]
Aug 02, 2004 (9:55 am)
It is obvious that people want to keep discussing this issue...Including you...when people stop posting on this issue I will also...I am only responding to others.
Nobody else did do it...Nobody else could do it..Cadallic did it and created the fastest FWD car in the world.
Looks can be subjective..We obviously disagree about the Allante's looks.
Cadillac wanted to keep producing the Allante...a new GM CEO took it out of production...I believe it was a mistake. The Allante was in the same body for it's 7 yr. production run. It was always more beautiful then the SL..In it's time.
#6533 of 24723 Enough about the Allante
Aug 02, 2004 (10:08 am)
Okay, let's draw the line right here.
No more posting about the Allante - that seems to be what folks SAY they want even if it is not what they are doing.
So let's all agree to move on now.
#6534 of 24723 Re: Crown [ljflx]
Aug 02, 2004 (10:26 am)
The only car produced by Toyota that has a V12 engine is the Century. The 4.3L V8 engine is the top of the line engine for the Crown Majesta. The Century is too stodgy to be considered a High performance Luxury Car. The 5.0L V12 engine in the Century only produces 275 Hp due to Japanese law that restricts Hp to 275. However, at nearly $100K, the Century is the most expensive Japanese made car.
#6536 of 24723 motownusa
Aug 02, 2004 (11:17 am)
Thanks - I get the two cars confused.
#6537 of 24723 MB Shopping Experience
Aug 02, 2004 (11:22 am)
I made the mistake of shopping at three dealerships. Two within 100 miles, and one in town. Saturday, I drove 90 miles with the two trades to finalize a deal, and the MB I was purchasing had a dead battery. They wanted me to do the paperwork on a "dead" vehicle that I had never driven. It was on the showroom floor.
The local dealer is giving my grief about buying out of town, but they have less selection and aren't as generous with the trade-in allowance.
What should be a fun process, is not.
Aug 02, 2004 (11:27 am)
"Japanese law that restricts Hp to 275" That law doesnt exist anymore. If the Century is still only making 275hp, its because Toyota hasnt bothered to unrestrict the engine. The Japanese have been playing games around their own HP caps for quite a long time, with Lancer Evos and WRXs in reality producing well over 300hp, and I think they figured it was about time to just give up the "your not fooling anybody" charade already.
Aug 02, 2004 (11:42 am)
More pics. of the Crown Majesta, same engine as the LS. Styling is somewhat stodgy. Rear trunk looks like the 7 series toned down. Interiors are super plush, check out the swiveling buckets. Car and Driver calls them a "drunken orgy of gadgets".
#6540 of 24723 Brand value
Aug 02, 2004 (12:57 pm)
Business Week's latest edition has an article on this. Toyota gaining in 8th, Mercedes staying put at 11th, BMW narrowly ahead of Honda and Ford at 17th. For what it's worth.