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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
Aug 01, 2004 (7:41 am)
Some of the things the Allante can do
it can sense the onset of traction loss and apply pulsed braking EVEN WHILE THE DRIVER KEEPS A FOOT ON THE ACCELERATOR.
It can electronically cut out up to five of the eight clyinders to provideadditional slowing power, and bring them back on line when traction has been restored.
It shifts its four-speed transmission electronically, guided by a computer that actually anticipates each shift based on the driver's demands. If you are driving agressively the car anticipates that and the Powertrain Control Module holds the car in each gear a little longer for better acceleration but when you want to drive sedately the computer recognizes that too and shifts eariler, saving gas and engine wear.
The Allante, in an emergency, can drive for miles with an empty radiator, cutting cylinders out in rotation just before they overheat and then switching them back in as they cool.
But what the Allante mostly is, is really, really fast, the fastest front-wheel drive car in the world, the 32 valve, 4.6 liter V8 engine, which Cadillac calls the Northstar, is just a detuned raching engine, with aluminum pistons (to save weight) and a fuel-injection system built of nylon, magnesium and spaceage plastics intended to insulate the incoming fuel from the heat of the cylinder head. "the beauty of this system," in the estimation of J. David Powell, and engineering professor at Stanford," is that the fuel is much cooler, allowing a more dense air/fuel charge into the combustion chamber for additional horsepower," In practical terms this means that the 1993 Allante will go from 0-60 in 6.9 sec. That is pretty fast although not as fast as a specially modified Jaguar XJR-15 which will do it in 4.5 sec. But that costs $1 Million dollars.
FROM MACHINE DESIGN June 11, 1992
The engine is quiet, even with the hood up, and the car is quiet while running. Cadillac designers' work on lowering wind-noise paid off, because with the top down I was able to hold conversations without yelling.
The Twisty mountain roads allowed me to test the car's real-time damping and speed-sensitive steering. Damping system sensors measure the relationship of the wheels to the car body to reduce body pitch and roll during cornering, front-end dive during braking, and lift during acceleration. The speed-sensitive steering is continuously variable, so changes are imperceptible, even during the slow-down/speedup of hairpin turns.
All together, the car inspires confident driving.
#6512 of 24726 michael_mattox
Aug 01, 2004 (3:10 pm)
And still this pointless war rages on. Mike, buddy, you need to give it up. You're not convincing any of us that the Allante was an SL killer, just as the motoring press was not convinced, and the general public was not convinced. When you have a superior product that is doing well, you don't kill it off, plain and simple. The "sport light" cars have been around, in their various nomenclatures for more than half a century. The Allante seriously pales compared to that kind of dynasty of historic automobiles (show me a $3,000,000 Allante 40 years from now.) It was a nice try, but nice try isnt good enough, and its fate was sealed.
#6513 of 24726 Re: michael_mattox [lexusguy]
Aug 01, 2004 (4:25 pm)
IF you had not posted again on this subject, I would not feel obligated to do so.
When you say any of us ...do you presume to speak for the rest of the board?
Based on the figures provided in 1993 Allante sold 6700 units and the 500SL sold 1700 units...Why Cadillac discontinued production I do not know and didn't understand at the time....I do know that Cadallic engineers had finally figured out how to have a fully retractable top without losing luggage space they were scheduled to introduce the car in 1995 when cadillac pulled the plug.
40 years from now show me a 3 million dollar 1993 500SL...It is more likely that I will be able to show you that 3 mill Allante. It is still a beautifull car today. The 93 500SL looks dated today.
#6514 of 24726 Re: michael_mattox [lexusguy]
Aug 01, 2004 (4:28 pm)
upon further reflection I do recall that GM had just gotten a new CEO and he pulled the plug on ALLANTE over stern objections by Cadillac.
#6515 of 24726 designman
Aug 01, 2004 (5:16 pm)
You've got me on that one.
#6516 of 24726 Allante discussion
Aug 01, 2004 (5:25 pm)
#6517 of 24726 Re: Allante discussion [warthog]
Aug 01, 2004 (5:47 pm)
The Allante is a high end luxury car, we talk about BMW Past and present, Merc, Jag, Rolls, Bentley, Audi etc. and all manor of Luxury Cars of all ages here.
I would also note that myself and Lexus were two of the few posters here for the last couple of days.
#6518 of 24726 Re: From Newsweek 5/4/92 [michael_mattox]
Aug 01, 2004 (5:55 pm)
Articles saying the ALlante was good doesn't mean it was better than the Mercedes SL. Those are excerpts of just the Allante and none of them say the Allante is something along the line of.."the best convertible money can buy"..."The most solid convertible"..."the best built convertible".
From everything I remember reading about the SL from 89? to the late 90s said it was one of the best convertibles money can buy with unmatched solidity. I don't need proof, everyone hear can pretty much say they have read the same thing in magazines. Besides, you say Car and Driver rated the Allante over the SL500, but where's the proof? You haven't shown any proof/facts either. I think if you went down to a Public library and pulled out every article about the previous SL, they will pretty much tell you the SL was the most solid convertible on the market. Also, read some C5 Corvette Convertible articles, which will mention the SL, but no Allante in reference to body rigidity.
And no one is saying the Allante is flimsy or something, just saying the SL was the benchmark for convertibles in the 90s.
#6519 of 24726 Re: From Newsweek 5/4/92 [maxhonda99]
Aug 01, 2004 (7:09 pm)
I do have an edge on you...I owned an Allante and drove a couple of SLs before I bought the Allante.
I am not sure of the Magazine but I thought Car & Driver but could have been one of the other majors, Rated the 93 Allante above the SL in a comparison ...I believe Allante also got a top rating in a prior year but I don't remember for sure....
I have been to the local Library but their computer listing of reviews only go back to 94...The same also seems to be true of the internet Can't find much on either of these cars....They were limited production special cars....
I think Three things seperated the 93 Allante from the 93 500SL....1)Luggage space and room generally, you could actually tour with the car take two sets of golf clubs or ski's and still bring luggage and a significent other. 2) The Northstar system and the innovations mentioned in a previous post. 3) It was a far more Beautiful car.
I should add that the front wheel drive was a godsent in snowy CT where I lived when I bought the car....With Blizzacks It could pretty much handle any conditions.
#6520 of 24726 This forum is generally interesting to read...
Aug 01, 2004 (9:02 pm)
But not when you're reading the same crud over and over again. This debate has gone on far too long.
Michael_Mattox, you have stated many good reasons as to why YOU chose to buy the Allante over the SL. You think the Allante was the better car, but no one else here agrees with you so just leave it be. The great thing is that we can all disagree with eachother, but we don't have to battle things out like this. Trying to give reason why YOU think the Allante is the better car is a lost cause, because try as you might, no one is supporting you in your views. Just because it was a better car for you, does not mean it is the better car for others. And hey it's not 1993 anymore, so why don't we talk about the cars of today & tomorrow, and not the cars of yesteryear?
Let's change the topic. Has anyone seen the new Toyota sedan that came out in Japan? It is called the Crown Majesta. What do you guys think? Here it is
Kinda reminds me of a Maybach in the rear. The interior is gorgeous though.