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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
Jul 26, 2004 (9:21 am)
I think the current '04 LS430 looks good too. And so did the 2nd generation, especially the 98-2000 LS400. I just wish that it was more distinctive, that it had it's own style completely through. The current LS430 is pretty nice, but the rear(C-pillar and rearward) looks a little like the old S-class Benz.
My accountant was over last week and he just got a new 2004 LS430 to replace a 00 LS400 that was totalled. Looks nice up close. The new frontend is a big improvement over the 01-03 front end.
The rearend looks a bit better and the wheels are a gigantic improvement over the 01-03 flat dish wheels.
#6357 of 24726 Re: [sv7887]
Jul 26, 2004 (10:45 am)
> Why would anyone want an E220? If you've got the $$$ to buy a MB
> to begin with, I doubt the price of gasoline is a real deterrant.
A combination of things - most of these cars in Europe are part of professionals' compensation, and you get a car leasing allowance. A big cost element are the emission-based taxes for the car, which encourage smaller cars and very heavily penalize larger engines. Most people prefer to simply stick with their allowance and don't take potential liabilities on - you get taxed based on car emissions for your personal miles on the car, again quite heavily. Thus the very clear tendency towards smaller engines in Europe.
It's a matter of personal preference - some chose to pay out of their pocket to get a larger engine. I know when I was there in the early 90s, the company offered an allowance that covered for a BMW 318. I got a barebone 318is coupe with a nice revvy 4 cylinder engine, and it was a very good car. Most of my colleagues picked the 320i with the base 6 cyclinder engine, and paid about $100+ extra a month plus the gas out of their own pocket, which I prefered to spend on food. By the way, my barebones 318is -since it was Germany I didn't even get aircon, which means I stayed under allowance and saved the company some bucks- was noticable faster than the 320i with aircon, and in my opinion much more fun to drive due to the fact it was very nimble without the added weight of the aircon and 6-cyl engine.
#6359 of 24726 Been meaning to get around to this
Jul 26, 2004 (11:58 am)
Basically, I think the LS needs some length, a lower greenhouse, and the lamps finessed. I love big ol' luxury battleships... tried to illustrate this here. Let me know what you think.
Jul 26, 2004 (1:31 pm)
Nice photoshop work!
The original is better proportioned both in the picture and in reality.
The photoshopped version has the "I just got squashed Audi A8" look.
#6361 of 24726 designman
Jul 26, 2004 (2:10 pm)
Supposedly the 2006 will have a LWB version.
Do you like the LS430?
#6362 of 24726 Photos of saddle interior?
Jul 26, 2004 (3:30 pm)
Does anyone have a photo of an LS with the saddle interior? I have seen the SC with saddle and like it; wondering how the larger interior of the LS looks with it. (I already searched edmunds, eBay, autotrader, and cars.com for photos -- no dice.) Thanks ahead of time for posting!
Jul 26, 2004 (3:44 pm)
Very subtle revisions, which corporate bosses would love since it leverages established identity. Of course, detractors of the current design would not be persuaded by very subtle tweaks - but the big problem with a major revision is that you might alienate an existing customer base that is sold on the existing concept and will stay loyal as long as you don't screw around with the recipe. Just ask BMW...
I think the luxury sedan world has 2 schools of thought: the first one is the school of stealth & understatement, to which Mercedes used to belong until the new S-class came out. Interestingly, the previous generation 7 series also competed with Mercedes on conservative ground. Lexus undoubtedly has remained a clear proponent of conservative design. VW's Phaeton clearly follows that school of thought as well. Audi's A8 also does, even if in the non-stretch version it has a somewhat more dynamic look.
Then there's the school of "look at me", which ranges from merely some more ornate elements to the downright flamboyant. The current generation S-class now looks conservative, but it was regarded as a risque design when it came out. People weren't used to that from MB. BMW of course has gone all the way with the Bangle 7. I'd also say the new Jag XJ is a bit more ornate than the cars in the first group.
#6365 of 24726 Re: Photos of saddle interior? [a_train]
Jul 26, 2004 (4:56 pm)
The Lexus website has a pic on it. You have to look at the interior pictures and change the color. That pic of the interior looks pretty good.