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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
Jul 21, 2004 (10:38 am)
Whenever I drive by a Audi dealer, they have a lot full of new Audi's. How do you suppose they sell a parking lot full of new Audi's at full price? Lexus can't seem to do it, BMW can't, Mercedes can't, Jaguar can't. How does Audi do it?
Second, the A4, which is supposed to compete head on with the BMW 3-series, sells at a fraction of the pace of the 3-series. Why does BMW give incentives currently to sell their more popular 3-series? And you're telling me Audi dealers are selling A4s for sticker? What a joke!
Third, why am I going to waste my time talking to a sleazy car dealer for a car I do not even want? Check out Edmunds TMV(it is known to be a good indicator of the market) and it says the A4 goes for a discount.
Fourth, I have a good friend who purchased a A4 AWD with sport package and 6-speed soon after the new A4 came out and he bought it for $4K off sticker, which was more than any Lexus dealer in Mass. would discount a ES300 at the time.
Another example? Brother bought a A4 in 2001 for a considerable amount off sticker.
Lastly, you didn't give proof of your background. You clearly stated you worked for Audi, when in fact, you work for a Audi dealer. There is a big difference between one and the other.
"Do you want pictures of the cars (LEXUS MERC BMW) that i have hear and deal with everyday??"
What does that have to do with anything? How does you selling cars prove you sell Audi's at full price? How does pictures of Lexus, Merc, BMW, prove Audi's are sold at MSRP?
"email me by click on my name above."
How, do you think I figured out you didn't work for Audi?
Jul 21, 2004 (10:39 am)
Honestly, I don't see any resemblance between the Taurus and E-class. I personally think the current E-class Benz is just about perfect looking from all angles and pretty darn original in it's styling.
#6233 of 24726 Re: [maxhonda99]
Jul 21, 2004 (10:40 am)
Max, come on man. That was just a little light hearted humor directed toward those that are enthusiasts, not owners. You're a funny guy.
How do you have access and drive all these luxury cars anyway? Do you go and joy ride at dealers and waste salespeople's time? How many times have you had your honda appraised? Only reason that I ask is that I'm in the industry on the retail end and I'm in and out of dealers everyday and attend manufacturers events often.
Jul 21, 2004 (10:41 am)
How many you ask...The problem is NoBody cares.
Unless you want to try and sell us on the idea that there are 10s of 1000s of buyers for A-8 and S-4 but Audi is too dumb to build them and make a profit??
#6235 of 24726 Re: max [lexusguy]
Jul 21, 2004 (10:43 am)
"Exactly. Audibob, have you noticed that Audi residual is worse than both BMW and Mercedes, and far worse than Lexus? An '00 A6 4.2 is currently worth less than 1\2 of its new MSRP. "
WHAT???? Let see what Edmunds Says:
2000 Merc E320 (Devalued $41 k Dep, Mant, etc)
2000 BMW 528 (Devalued $41 k Dep, Mant, etc)
2000 Lexus LS430 (Devalued $44 k Dep, Mant, etc)
2000 Audi A6 4.2 (Devalued $41 k Dep, Mant, etc)
PS: $25,900 is the edmunds resale for this car...hmmm....The current price in todays money is $49,500. Factor that the car initially cost less 4 years ago, and your other statement is faulty too.
THIS TIME WITH FACTS THAT I CAN VERIFY PLEASE.
#6236 of 24726 audibob
Jul 21, 2004 (10:43 am)
You're the expert - what's thes ales volume of A8's in the US. I've seen 2000-2400 for the old model with a pickup to the 4,000 range with the new. The latter will likely fall right back by next year to its normal spot. Saw that data in many places including many posted on this website. There was an Audi salesman on the Phaeton board who said - in a post - his boss groaned everytime an A8 was due in.
Sticker - every Audi - now you are really making yourself look bad.
Jul 21, 2004 (10:50 am)
How about Number of sales on the A-8 and web sites to back them up?
You seem to come to the table with a hand full of gimmy and a mouth full of much obliged
#6238 of 24726 Re: audibob [ljflx]
Jul 21, 2004 (10:53 am)
Hey all you angry lexus owners trying to validate you ideology, what do you think about edmund rating the LS400 at the hightest cost to own???
#6239 of 24726 Re: [michael_mattox]
Jul 21, 2004 (10:56 am)
michael_mattox Jul 21, 2004 (2:41 pm)
Bob: How many you ask...The problem is NoBody cares.
Make up your mind on what you want Michael, or is you desire just to argue?
Jul 21, 2004 (10:56 am)
Don't worry, dude, you're even funnier!!
How do I have access to soo many cars? I have friends/relatives/co-workers who have many different types. I have many enthusiast nuts.
One friend of mine has had a 97/98 Z3 2.8 that he modified w:lightweight flywheel, exhaust, beefed up trans./18"Breyton wheels, Brembo brakes. Same guy later had 00 BMW 530i sport w/manual.
before that VW Jetta VR6. Currently, has a Volvo S60R. I have driven all of them as he leases and doesn't really care how it's driven.
ANother had the current gen. A4 Sport 6-speed for about 6 months, before that a MB C280(driven both).
One relative has a stable of Lexi' 95 ES, 00 LS400,
Father in law has a current gen. LS430, as well as a Benz ML320
Other relative has a previous gen. 7-series.
Otherwise, a friend works at Lexus NA in NJ. Been to ride and drive event with him in NJ where they Lexus products as well as competition. Driven them on a racetrack, slalom, wet braking, dirt braking, acceleration.
Sorry, I have better things to do than waste salespeople's time, even though when I do it is quite fun to waste their time and listen to them hype their products up. you know how it is, bump up the horsepower numbers, make the car faster in 0-60time, etc.
"How many times have you had your honda appraised? Only reason that I ask is that I'm in the industry on the retail end and I'm in and out of dealers everyday and attend manufacturers events often."
WHat does that have to do with my car? But yes I've had it appraised. Thought about purchasing a Acura TSX last year but it sucked.