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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#6224 of 24726 How Mercedes styling has matured over the years
Jul 21, 2004 (10:25 am)
This is one of my favorite pictures. It shows how much the "new" Mercedes E320 took from its predecessors. Unfortunately it didn't take them from MB precessors, they took them from the Ford Taurus.
At least Mercedes had the good manners to change the gas cap to square, chrome up the door handles and remove the big Jag type chrome trunk lift. On the other end, is the Mercedes "Grill", which they got from Weber.
The cars pictured are a 2003 E320 and a 2001 Ford Taurus. And to think Lexus is picked on here for usurping MB styling.
#6225 of 24726 Re: [maxhonda99]
Jul 21, 2004 (10:25 am)
Back up your statement.
Name the dealer and salesperson you have spoken to.
I will call them and have them get on this site to back you up.
Then we will understand the genius that is MAXHONDA99!!!
P.S. I gave you proof of my background. Do you want pictures of the cars (LEXUS MERC BMW) that i have hear and deal with everyday??
email me by click on my name above.
Quantify your statement on your experience. Proof please.
I am tired of the MICHEAL MOORE syndrome here...if you make a statement back it up. I have provided websites and personnal informantion for everything I say.
Jul 21, 2004 (10:26 am)
Exactly. Audibob, have you noticed that Audi residual is worse than both BMW and Mercedes, and far worse than Lexus? An '00 A6 4.2 is currently worth less than 1\2 of its new MSRP. You certainly wont find a '00 E430 for under $20 grand. One of the factors that causes that is that Audi cant move its cars at sticker. The other, is Audi's legendary (for being awful) reliability.
Ok Audibob, show me some pictures of Lexus stryofoam. I'd like to see that.
Jul 21, 2004 (10:28 am)
AUDI'S SELL AT STICKER. I have not experienced a dealer undercutting the price.
Are you sure? I have seen Audi 'special lease' deals where you drive away with this or that payment per month.... Plus Audi's Value TANKS faster than you can say 'AUDI VALLA!!!'.
Plus the fact that the A6 is based on a FWD platform just rules out Audi for me. As far as I am concerned its a grolified VW.
My friend last week bought an Audi 2003 A4 18,000 miles for $23,000 from a couple who wanted to buy a Baby hauling Minivan.
Jul 21, 2004 (10:33 am)
I've always seen a resemblance between the taurus and the new MB lineage. Merc1 and I disagree but I am convinced the Taurus influenced MB styling starting with the S-class and several styling cues were lifted from it. That doesn't say anything disrespectful to MB as I think the S is one of the most beautiful cars around.
Jul 21, 2004 (10:37 am)
The LS is in Japan but under the Toyota banner...Same car different name.
Jul 21, 2004 (10:37 am)
Merc1 will not admit that a lowly Ford can influence the design of the one and only MB.
Jul 21, 2004 (10:38 am)
Whenever I drive by a Audi dealer, they have a lot full of new Audi's. How do you suppose they sell a parking lot full of new Audi's at full price? Lexus can't seem to do it, BMW can't, Mercedes can't, Jaguar can't. How does Audi do it?
Second, the A4, which is supposed to compete head on with the BMW 3-series, sells at a fraction of the pace of the 3-series. Why does BMW give incentives currently to sell their more popular 3-series? And you're telling me Audi dealers are selling A4s for sticker? What a joke!
Third, why am I going to waste my time talking to a sleazy car dealer for a car I do not even want? Check out Edmunds TMV(it is known to be a good indicator of the market) and it says the A4 goes for a discount.
Fourth, I have a good friend who purchased a A4 AWD with sport package and 6-speed soon after the new A4 came out and he bought it for $4K off sticker, which was more than any Lexus dealer in Mass. would discount a ES300 at the time.
Another example? Brother bought a A4 in 2001 for a considerable amount off sticker.
Lastly, you didn't give proof of your background. You clearly stated you worked for Audi, when in fact, you work for a Audi dealer. There is a big difference between one and the other.
"Do you want pictures of the cars (LEXUS MERC BMW) that i have hear and deal with everyday??"
What does that have to do with anything? How does you selling cars prove you sell Audi's at full price? How does pictures of Lexus, Merc, BMW, prove Audi's are sold at MSRP?
"email me by click on my name above."
How, do you think I figured out you didn't work for Audi?
Jul 21, 2004 (10:39 am)
Honestly, I don't see any resemblance between the Taurus and E-class. I personally think the current E-class Benz is just about perfect looking from all angles and pretty darn original in it's styling.
#6233 of 24726 Re: [maxhonda99]
Jul 21, 2004 (10:40 am)
Max, come on man. That was just a little light hearted humor directed toward those that are enthusiasts, not owners. You're a funny guy.
How do you have access and drive all these luxury cars anyway? Do you go and joy ride at dealers and waste salespeople's time? How many times have you had your honda appraised? Only reason that I ask is that I'm in the industry on the retail end and I'm in and out of dealers everyday and attend manufacturers events often.