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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#6139 of 24726 Guys Guys GUYS
Jul 20, 2004 (1:41 pm)
Look, let me start off saying 'YES I AM ASSOCIATED WITH AUDI!'
However, I bought an Audi after owning a BMW328, and a Merc E320. I love this car, as most europians do. That is what made me fight to get a position with the company.
I am not trying to push this product, but I would like to get things straight.
1: Lexus is an "Entry" Lux car. It uses styrofoam for sound damping, and sounds like a tin can hitting a wall whenever you close a door or hood. It is a nicely refined toyota, good value for the money, but nowhere close to the Germans for performance, road handling, or Lux Passenger Environment.
2: BMW is a solid car. And it actually handles great in a straight line when compared to Merc or Audi. And they even have a windows (YEP) base computer system. (Bet you wondered why all the problems...) P.S. The name cost you an extra $5k - $15k.
3: Merc just had a press release claiming that over 600 features where being removed due to "not be needed," and "not being profitable to make work correctly." This came after a historic rise in customer complaints in recent years. P.S. Greatly underpowered compaired to is rivals.
4: If I had to be involved in a major accident, I would only choose to be in a "german" car. Go to one of the dealerships for these cars and drive one if you don't understand.
5: This being said, once you drive and Audi you will understand why it Rules Europe. There is nothing even close in performance, fit and finish, SAFETY, and Material Quality. I dare you to actually drive these before you challenge me. (I will admit, there were some really crappy older models....I refer to 1998 and up when Audi rebuilt themselves.)
#6140 of 24726 Re: [pablo_l]
Jul 20, 2004 (4:29 pm)
"if you happen to network with Limbaugh and go for good old intellectually lazy right wing clichees"
Gee, is Limbaugh in charge of manufacturing? I didn't know that!!!
Life is better at the beach!
#6141 of 24726 Re: Guys Guys GUYS [audibob]
Jul 20, 2004 (4:34 pm)
How about "styling"? or -- exciting to look at? Couldn't Audi include that with its "great engineering"? A lot of things are designed and engineered for near mechanical perfections -- but boring.
#6142 of 24726 Re: Evidence? Tell me this isnít affecting German cars: [designman]
Jul 20, 2004 (4:39 pm)
"best aspects of each will combine to affect the world positively"
I'd like to be educated. What, pray tell, are the best aspects of Socialism?
Jul 20, 2004 (4:46 pm)
Heh, well, this is not the right venue to explore the best aspects of socialism, so let's just stick to the specific cars without going that far out of the discussion and the message board boundaries.
#6145 of 24726 audibob
Jul 20, 2004 (5:25 pm)
My Lexus sounds like a bank vault when I close it. Rock solid car. If the Audi is so great there is no need to belittle anything else - predjudices and your obvious inability to be fair minded nothwithstanding.
Give me a break!
#6146 of 24726 Re: Guys Guys GUYS [audibob]
Jul 20, 2004 (5:47 pm)
"This being said, once you drive and Audi you will understand why it Rules Europe."
Really? That is extremely interesting insight. There is only one problem, Audi is far from ruling the rest of the world. In fact, I even doubt it "rules" Europe. I thought, out of luxury cars, Mercedes ruled.
The rest of your post is quite funny also!
"BMW is a solid car. And it actually handles great in a straight line when compared to Merc or Audi. And they even have a windows (YEP) base computer system."
Funny, last time I checked it even handled better in turns!
"3: Merc just had a press release claiming that over 600 features where being removed due to "not be needed," and "not being profitable to make work correctly." This came after a historic rise in customer complaints in recent years. P.S. Greatly underpowered compaired to is rivals."
Yet it seems similar Benz cars in Audi's lineup are slower.
#6147 of 24726 designman
Jul 20, 2004 (6:28 pm)
944 - it was the only Porsche I copuld swing back then. Enjoyed it very much but it wasn't reliable. Neither was my 280Z before it as it had plenty of electrical problems.
I must admit those 911 reviews are tempting me though. I can afford plenty of Porsche now. But my wife would kill me. She doesn't drive stick. She wants an SL or an SC as a toy car in about a year. In the meantime I've got too much going on in my business between now and the inflection point of a toy car. But at that realm - it's a play thing - so if MB reliability is still sub-par it won't concern me as much.
By the way - a good friend had a 911 and we got pulled over on the Garden State pkwy one night (this was before the kids and responsibility) going well over 100mph. He saw the cops headlights pull off from the side of the road in the far distance and knew we were in trouble. Luckily it turned out to be a good trooper and he ticketed my buddy at only 71mph which was just below the trigger to much more serious fines. But we did spend 5-10 minutes talking about the Porsche with him. Indeed Porsche does carry that kind of weight and mystique.
lastly - the European labor situation is a problem as far as I'm concerned. I worked 15 years for a European business and everyone knew it. The cast system there also hinders people from speaking up against the decisions higher up. The MB CFO that spoke heavily against continuing the Mitsubishi investment rarely happens there. In general my experience is that workers totally disagree with certain business strategies, production or approach but simply do not speak out despite the fact that they have so much severance protection. That is telling.