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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#5917 of 24723 Re: maxhonda99 [merc1]
Jul 15, 2004 (6:18 am)
yes differences do exist but they are by all means slight today. 15 years ago, there were night and day differences between cars, such as the LS400 was lot more luxurious than the 7-series and the 7-series was in turn alot more sporty same with the 7-series vs. the S-class in 1990 vs. today. In the last 15 years as Lexus helped BMW discover that american luxury car buyers look for a quiet supple ride over handling and today you have a 7-series that is alot more cushy than in 1990 and not as sporty as it was in 1990. I loved the late 80s 735i, it might not have had the power but it was a wonderful road carver(even by today's standards) and had direct/natural steering. Today, the various cars in the class, 745, LS430, S-class, A8, STS are all on a converging path.
"If you drove a 2001 740i Sport back to back with a 2001-2003 LS430 you would feel a much bigger difference."
What's the point of a Sport vs. regular LS430? The 740 sport has 18" wheels vs. 16" for the LS430. A more fitting description is the regular 740i to the regular LS430.
#5918 of 24723 Re: [michael_mattox]
Jul 15, 2004 (6:26 am)
wrong.......never said that.
#5919 of 24723 Re: [maxhonda99]
Jul 15, 2004 (6:57 am)
True, the current generation 7 series has by far outsold the previous. And, it seems that reviewers who do a long term evaluation and get beyond all the extremely over-hyped I-drive love the car (see Automobile Magazine).
Furthermore, it's not "bashing" of lexus on my part because as I've stated multiple times now I do have a sincere appreciation for Toyota as a company and its products. Anyhow, enough of that. I won't back off of the contention that BMW builds a MUCH better performing product.
By the way, Max, according to your profile, your putzing around in an accord. So, how would you know much, anyway? I used to be japanese brainwashed too. Experience brings wisdom. You're probably a perfect mentor for those stepping up from a Korean make to a Honda, Toyota or Nissan.
BMW 6 series, or SL500?
Jul 15, 2004 (7:26 am)
oooh...insults!! I like you style!!
And what are you putzing around in? You may say a BMW, but who really knows!!
"I won't back off of the contention that BMW builds a MUCH better performing product."
"...a much better performing product." can be applied to many different facets of a car. To most people it seems like what you mean by "performing"(which is handling) is not as important as other aspects of car.
"So, how would you know much, anyway? I used to be japanese brainwashed too. Experience brings wisdom. You're probably a perfect mentor for those stepping up from a Korean make to a Honda, Toyota or Nissan."
It's kinda obvious I know alot more than you do about cars!
"True, the current generation 7 series has by far outsold the previous. "
Wrong, I said the current 7-series is not selling as well as the previous.
#5922 of 24723 designman
Jul 15, 2004 (7:57 am)
Come on now, do you think the LS is bought by the geriatric crowd. Most people I know who have LS430's are in the 45-55 age group and pull $250-500k a year. Most, like me have young kids yet. It's a bunch of marketing garbage that tries to make you think otherwise.
Hey - I saw Aerosmith at the PNC arts center along with Kiss on their tour last summer. When Kiss ended with "rock and roll all night" I didn't think aerosmith could top them - but they did. Spectacular concert. Saw Journey to and while they are still great they aren't the same without Steve Perry. I have well over 500 albums and cds (lost count a long time ago - heck I created my own greatest hits compilation on a DVD with 70 songs on it) including everything the Beatles, Stones, Billy Joel and Springstein ever did. Plenty of Aerosmith, Kiss, Boston, REO speedwagon and just about everyone else who was popular in the last 25 years. But not rap - absolutely hate it. I blast my stereo also because its like a concert hall in the car and for that reason I'll never ride around with the windows down. Better to keep all that great sound inside. At home I use a Denon 200 amp receiver. Denon is awesome. Just about every LS430 owner I know fits my profile though they probably keep the stereo tuned a bit lower and have less of a music library. Come to think of it the people I know that have S500's fit the same profile to though there is one guy that is a big Barry Manilow fan. Don't have anything by Sinatra or Dean Martin for that matter, but I am a big Celine Dion fan and love James Taylor. He was absolutey phenomenal at the Arts center last year also. I know a couple of Clear Channel execs - even one who has an LS430 - so I go to almost any concert I want to that they sponsor.
#5923 of 24723 a little math for MAX
Jul 15, 2004 (8:03 am)
In '99 BMW sold 18,233 7-series, '00 16,619, '01 13,389,
In '02 the number was 21,990 followed by 20,473 in '03 and so far this year nearly 10,000.
So, obviously the current generation 7-series is easily outselling the previous version.
#5924 of 24723 Re: a little math for MAX [livinbmw]
Jul 15, 2004 (8:08 am)
Actually, it's 8,776 thru the 1st half of the year, which is off about 1,200 units from the same point last year. Notice the downward trend? There's a little math for you.
Where's your lame attempt at insults in your last post?
#5925 of 24723 designman, lijflx
Jul 15, 2004 (8:18 am)
Ouch, that hurts, it really does. I drive an LS430, so I must be in my late 80s, and to me a good time is some matlock, followed by a nap. I dont listen to that there kids music, its NOISY. lijflx, Im not sure if you helped my case or hurt it with such references as Boston and Reo Speedwagon. Designman, the Stones and Aerosmith are older than I am. If you had said blasting Metallica, Pearl Jam, or Filter, than I might've thought you were cool. But you're obviously not, Mr. Skynyrd, lol.
#5926 of 24723 todays drive to work tunes
Jul 15, 2004 (8:23 am)
paul mcartney, coldplay, pink floyd (old stuff, set the controls for the heart of the sun), Rush, the Cure.