Last post on Jan 28, 2013 at 5:55 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#54 of 24726 Lexus,Mercedes
Jan 25, 2000 (12:12 am)
As a point of interest, I have noted many talk of the MB active cruise control and that the Lexus also will have it. I am currently researching the purchase of either an S430 or Lexus LS430 for the fall. My local MB dealer says none of the MB cars have (or will have) the active cruise due to last minute fears of law suits (a sad, but separate commentary on our litigious society). The Lexus is still planned to have it. What with the elimination of the Euro delivery discount (or any reasonable negotiation below the inflated MSRP) and the quality and other issues reported, MB seems to be helping me make a seemingly difficult decision. If the Lexus comes out anything like it is announced/anticipated, MB may certainly lose market share. At least my share, but I await the new 2001 models with open mind and room for change.
#55 of 24726 Who's imitating who!!
Jan 25, 2000 (3:33 am)
Although Lexus invented lights, Benz was the first car with 4 wheels! And an internal combustion engine! Lexus has now shamelessly copied these important design features!
Not only that. They also made the body style a blatant imitation of the M-B S-class.
Jan 25, 2000 (3:47 am)
#57 of 24726 enigmaone
Jan 25, 2000 (5:01 am)
Regarding post #55:
I believe mike2567 was referring to the fact that Daimler-Benz invented the automobile.
Jan 25, 2000 (8:50 am)
I'll be surprised if Lexus does offer the active cruise control feature. Some idiot will expect the car to drive itself....like lane correction, stopping, and swerving. Mercedes wouldn't take that chance and unless the Lexus system has some type of idiot-proof feature, I'd expect them to delay their also.
Jan 25, 2000 (2:09 pm)
The laser guided cruise control on the LS430 is going to be optional. So I'm sure it's going to have it, as a option. They may have a big warning sticker on the window, with the owners manual, etc. stating what and what it does not do!
#60 of 24726 Hello25
Jan 25, 2000 (4:29 pm)
Now if we can just figure out whose ancestors invented the wheel we can make Daimler Chrysler pay them royalties.
#61 of 24726 re:#58 active cruise...
Jan 25, 2000 (5:32 pm)
FYI, the MB dealer told me almost exactly that - they were sued by some woman who "misunderstood" her briefing on the regular cruise control - set it on the hwy then turned around to get something from the back seat. Obvious result. Don't know if this is true or anecdotal, but that is how he explained Benz's decision to drop active cruise despite heavily advertising it.
For enigma: the prior LS400 nav system was not compatible with the Nakimichi, but the new one is standard, right? So the Mark Lev. must be compatible with the Nav sys. and the Nak. no longer an option, I assume? And that means touch screen control for the Mark Lev. and some steering wheel control?
Jan 25, 2000 (6:38 pm)
the Navigation system is still optional, I believe. But the optional mark levinson stereo system is compatible with the GPS nav. system. And so is the stock stereo, which I'm assuming remains a Pioneer system.
The GPS nav. system remains mostly touch screen but I believe the stereo controls are not as much a part of the touch screen display as they are in the current LS400.
The stereo does have some controls on the steering wheel.
Jan 26, 2000 (5:07 pm)
I am surprised that I did not find any discussions
regarding Audi A8. I currently drive MB C280 and Lexus LX450. Love my Lexus and hate my MB especially during the winter. I'll be looking for a new car in couple of month and my main candidates are BMW 740il and Audi A8. Many of my friends use to drive BMW but resently switched to Audi and very happy with this car.
Any comments would be appreciated.