High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#51 of 24700 Lexus, Mercedes by mike2567 Jan 19, 2000 (3:07 am)
That Lexus LS430 is a blatant copy of the Mercedes Benz S-class, if ever I saw a blatant copy! Wow! Body shape, rear lights, model number ... even the wheels! I suppose imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. As to buying an M-B S500 at a discount, forget it! These cars are on 6 month back order; and M-B dictates sticker pricing a la Saturn. The good colors on the S-class are all of them. I have brilliant silver with charcoal interior. The only one that leaves me a bit lukewarm is the black, although it does look very formal.
#52 of 24700 oops ... by mike2567 Jan 19, 2000 (3:07 am)
... sorry about hitting the button twice ...
#53 of 24700 Hello25 by hello25 Jan 19, 2000 (10:19 am)
And whose flagship just copied whose with electroilluminesent lighting? Who had a navigation system first? Whose executive said their drivers would not need it? Who most recently introduced wood steering wheels? The recent S class both downsized and upgraded itself to meet market standards. The new LS does take Mercedes styling into account, yes. But you are mistaken if you think Mercedes Benz is the be all and end all of the automotive world that it was in 1896, and during a period of time in the 1970's and 80's.
#54 of 24700 Lexus,Mercedes by flint350 Jan 25, 2000 (12:12 am)
As a point of interest, I have noted many talk of the MB active cruise control and that the Lexus also will have it. I am currently researching the purchase of either an S430 or Lexus LS430 for the fall. My local MB dealer says none of the MB cars have (or will have) the active cruise due to last minute fears of law suits (a sad, but separate commentary on our litigious society). The Lexus is still planned to have it. What with the elimination of the Euro delivery discount (or any reasonable negotiation below the inflated MSRP) and the quality and other issues reported, MB seems to be helping me make a seemingly difficult decision. If the Lexus comes out anything like it is announced/anticipated, MB may certainly lose market share. At least my share, but I await the new 2001 models with open mind and room for change.
#55 of 24700 Who's imitating who!! by mike2567 Jan 25, 2000 (3:33 am)
Although Lexus invented lights, Benz was the first car with 4 wheels! And an internal combustion engine! Lexus has now shamelessly copied these important design features! Not only that. They also made the body style a blatant imitation of the M-B S-class.
#56 of 24700 heh? by enigmaone Jan 25, 2000 (3:47 am)
What??
#57 of 24700 enigmaone by rollie Jan 25, 2000 (5:01 am)
Regarding post #55: I believe mike2567 was referring to the fact that Daimler-Benz invented the automobile. -rdo russell.ollieusa.net
#58 of 24700 . by merc1 Jan 25, 2000 (8:50 am)
I'll be surprised if Lexus does offer the active cruise control feature. Some idiot will expect the car to drive itself....like lane correction, stopping, and swerving. Mercedes wouldn't take that chance and unless the Lexus system has some type of idiot-proof feature, I'd expect them to delay their also. M
#59 of 24700 . by enigmaone Jan 25, 2000 (2:09 pm)
The laser guided cruise control on the LS430 is going to be optional. So I'm sure it's going to have it, as a option. They may have a big warning sticker on the window, with the owners manual, etc. stating what and what it does not do!
#60 of 24700 Hello25 by hello25 Jan 25, 2000 (4:29 pm)
Now if we can just figure out whose ancestors invented the wheel we can make Daimler Chrysler pay them royalties.