High End Luxury Cars

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#6 of 24700 bmwboys by merc1 Nov 27, 1999 (8:40 pm)
What "toys" does the LS400 offer that are not available on the S-Class or 7-Series, or did you mean the E-Class and 5-Series? If its the 5 and E, the LS is a notch above those 2 in most areas. The S-Class does not have a sticker of 95K, and the only 7-Series approaching that price is the 750iL, unless you get one of the protection models. The competitive models, S430 and 740iL are not 95K cars. M
#7 of 24700 . by enigma23 Nov 27, 1999 (9:29 pm)
But the S500 is knocking on $90K+!!
#8 of 24700 price by bmwboys Nov 28, 1999 (7:33 am)
After adding tax and lux tax and destianation charges you are at 95. I was reffering to a 750, primarialy cuz it is the king ok the BMW line up, as is the LS to Lexus. as for the toys, im not sure what all Lexus puts in their cars but i do own a BMW 7 with so many gadgets that it is almost crazy. To me the toys of my car are: Heated Steering Wheel, Comfort seats with an adjustable sholder rest, 8 Air Bags, Insulated Windows, power rear seats with heat, radar in the bumpers, power sun shades. Its all the little toys i love and BMW is known for their toys. What all does Lexus offer? I know that Jaguar is a pretty boring car on the inside, very plush, but boring.
#9 of 24700 . by enigma23 Nov 28, 1999 (4:53 pm)
How are 8 airbags toys?? I would consider them as Safety features and would never think of them as toys.
#10 of 24700 LS400...used...which year to get? by jbradb Nov 28, 1999 (10:34 pm)
I've seen edmunds re used LS400s, but any strong feelings? seems '96 ('95?) was a style change and '98 was an engine change. other than those two biggies, what do you Lexophiles think? I'm not asking opinions about WHETHER to get a Lexus vs. other brand. I've driven enough to know they are like apples and oranges. Thanks!
#11 of 24700 . by enigma23 Nov 28, 1999 (10:47 pm)
jbradb, The 1st generation LS400 went from 1990 thru the 1994 model year. The 2nd generation LS400 came out during the 1995 model year. The 2 1/2 generation LS400 came out for the 1998 model year. Basically the 1998-2000 LS400 is the same car as the 1995(2nd generation LS400). The basic changes that Lexus made for the 1998 model year were a new engine and transmission, different gauge cluster, more wood trim, different front fenders, bumper, lights, grille, and hood, as well as different wheels. Other changes were a Drive-by-wire Throttle control system, standard VSC, and numerous other features were added. ALso the rear tailights were slightly redesigned. 1995 was a complete overhaul of the car from the 1994(1st generation) LS400. Is that what you wanted to know? Or was it somethign else?
#12 of 24700 Used LS400....year? by jbradb Nov 28, 1999 (11:00 pm)
enigma23, Exactly what I was wanting to know. So, between '95/'96/'97, not alot of difference? (I don't think I'd look earlier than a '95 anyway) Price for these seems to run ~5K more for each later year u get. So, I could get a '95 for mid-upper 20Ks...but a '98 would run 40-45K, other things being equal. I guess u see my point. It might just come down to my looking at them on a lot and comparing one after another. Thanks!
#13 of 24700 merc1 by merc1 Nov 29, 1999 (4:04 am)
You add taxes and destination to any car and the price goes up dramatically. The MSRP is not 90K for a S500. Car & Driver adds luxury tax to a car's MSRP too and then says that this is the "base" price. The 750iL is a good 90K car no matter how you slice it, but the S500 isn't. M
#14 of 24700 . by enigma23 Nov 29, 1999 (4:47 am)
jbradb, Yes the 1995 to 1997 models were basically identical. The only thing that changed was for 1997, when Lexus added Side-impact airbags.
#15 of 24700 1996 LS400 price by jbradb Nov 30, 1999 (4:55 am)
edmund's give "fair mkt. value" at 34K, whereas Kelly BB says "retail" is 38K....who's closer? dealer seems to be 1K above Kelly BB before negotiation.