High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#4409 of 24700 by merc1 Mar 10, 2004 (9:46 pm)
It's equally amazing that now the Germans are denying quality problems on the same scale as the Americans did back in the 1970's, yet Mercedes-Benz in particular has stated that they intend to get the brand back to the top of the surveys in the next two years. VW has clearly stated that they have a problem and that they are also working on it, yet for this board and the survey clutchers only the articles about the denials a while back matter. Sounds like MB couldn't care less about quality to me. Why else would they say they're doing something about a problem they don't think they have. Drove a Buick Park Avenue Ultra today, I swear it drove better than a S600 or 760Li, it was the Harley Earl edition. It started on the first try, unlike those cars. M
#4410 of 24700 That is true, Merc1 by scott1256 Mar 11, 2004 (5:39 am)
Merc/BMW/Audi are saying the right things about this quality question. They well may well take steps to correct the problem. Remember, though, that this deteriorating quality issue is of at least 5-6 years standing and has not thus far been effectively dealt with. I am at the stage of life that I am a potential Merc/Audi customer - but the current offerings have none of the pull of the MB uber-sedans of the 1980s. Those cars had me thinking every day that I couldn't wait to own one. Scott.
#4411 of 24700 merc1 by syswei Mar 11, 2004 (5:53 am)
Glad to see you liked the Park Ave Ultra. Maybe Buick's marketing tagline should be: "Rides like a Lexus, and more reliable than a Mercedes" Of course, the latter isn't exactly something to brag about these days. Let's see if MB lives up to its promises re improving reliability. I'm sure you know better than me...did MB start talking about improving reliability something like 5 years ago, after the ML's problems?
#4412 of 24700 by merc1 Mar 11, 2004 (5:56 am)
Don't forget that a Buick is more technically advanced and has controls that are much easier to operate than all of that German junk. Buicks rule. M
#4413 of 24700 RX400h by syswei Mar 11, 2004 (6:07 am)
I got an email, and Lexus is saying only 270hp (vs 230 for the RX330). I presume that they are tuning more for torque and mpg in the RX400h, as compared to the Italdesign sportscar shown at Geneva. They do talk about "4-cylinder family sedan fuel consumption figures combined with ultra low CO2 emissions for a SUV". Lastly, they say it is CVT, which is news to me. I thought it was technically difficult to do CVT with a heavy vehicle and more than a 2 liter or so engine, so this seems impressive.
#4414 of 24700 syswei by shipo Mar 11, 2004 (6:11 am)
Audi has been doing CVT for several years in heavier cars with larger engines. Best Regards Shipo
#4415 of 24700 shipo by syswei Mar 11, 2004 (6:17 am)
Thanks, I guess my info was very dated!
#4416 of 24700 CVT? by lexus0622 Mar 11, 2004 (11:21 am)
OK, let's help out the uninformed a bit. What does CVT mean?
#4417 of 24700 CVT info by prattster Mar 11, 2004 (11:36 am)
http://www.nissan-global.com/GCC/Japan/NEWS/19991001_0e.html This should explain it somewhat. Basically the trans. gears are gone and replaced with a much smoother belt shift. The new Murano has it currently and some Audi's. Honda first had in the 96' Civic but the new units are high torque units that Nissan debuted first in the article.
#4418 of 24700 CVT by shipo Mar 11, 2004 (11:40 am)
CVT = Continuously Variable Transmission = No Gears Gear ratios are approximated by running one or more parallel "V" belts between paired grooved wheel sets, two on the powered side and two on the driven side per belt, which can independently and dynamically change their amount of separation, thus allowing infinite gear ratios between two preset extremes. For simplicities sake, I will attempt to illustrate how it actually works using only one belt and wheel set. Picture how the gearing works on your typical multi-speed mountain bike; three gear rings in front, and anywhere from six to nine gears in the rear cluster. Using the smallest front gear and the largest rear gear gives the greatest power at the expense of speed. Using the largest front and the smallest rear yields the greatest speed at the expense of power, everything else is somewhere in the middle. With a CVT, the front and rear wheel sets are cut on a bias forming a "V" groove. Both the front and rear wheel sets can change their distance from each other, which forces the "V" belt to ride higher or lower in said grooves, thus changing the gear ratio. I hope this helps. Best Regards, Shipo P.S. It looks like Prattster beat me to the punch as it were.