High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#4329 of 24700 by mariner7 Mar 04, 2004 (4:44 am)
It's unbelievable all the glamourous projects VW undertakes: Bugatti, Lambo, Bentley, W12, Phaeton. I'm sure I'm missing 3 or 4. Meanwhile they're losing profits and market shares everywhere. How do you think the Germans should solve their reliability problems? First, they got to admit it. Before you can solve a problem, you've to admit you have it. MB's beginning to, I'm not sure VW and BMW know they've a problem. Second, do not be at the forefront of electronics. I don't think many people will miss idrive. Let the Japanese try out the new electronics in the cars first, and stay half a step behind them. The saying, 'Americans are best at computers, Japanese electronics, German mechanical things' still stands. People buy German cars not because of electronics, but in spite of them. Third, establish some research centers in Japan, and in China in the future. The Japanese have design and research centers in California and Europe. The big 3 and Germans have zero centers in Japan, I think. They're saying they don't have anything to learn from Japan. Well they're wrong!
#4330 of 24700 Merc1 by shipo Mar 04, 2004 (4:49 am)
Just a clarification: Audi was guilty of placing the pedals in their Automatic transmission cars too close together for fat American's feet. All of the cars that "Unintendedly Accelerated" were automatics, it seems that us manual transmission drivers were able to keep track of our feet a little better. Best Regards, Shipo
#4331 of 24700 shipo by michael_mattox Mar 04, 2004 (9:38 am)
Great comment!!!! I was about to put my feet on a diet...Just in case I went insane and wanted to buy an Audi.
#4332 of 24700 from Geneva by syswei Mar 04, 2004 (12:16 pm)
http://autoweek.com/specials/2004_geneva/volta/pages/index.htm I think they should produce both Lexus and Toyota-badged versions. Both brands suffer from a stodgy image.
#4333 of 24700 by kirstie_h HOST Mar 04, 2004 (1:52 pm)
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#4334 of 24700 1988 560 SEL is a tank by jsb16 Mar 04, 2004 (4:38 pm)
I just sold one of these last week for my dad who was the original owner of the vehicle with 67K miles. I agree that it was solidly built but was more costly to maintain than my 1990 LS which had 100K more miles. The MB was much larger and made the LS look like a compact. Even the MB lovers out there have to be glad that Lexus came along since the sales price on that 1988 exceeded the sales price on the 2004 LS he bought to replace it. Time will tell if the LS holds up as well and is a 16 year keeper. I just replaced my 1990 LS with a 2004 LS as well and went to the Chicago Auto show the day before I closed the deal. I was surprised that the Phaeton was up on a carousel and unavailable to be more closely inspected. How VW misses an opportunity to take business from MB, Lexus, BMW, etc. owners is beyond me. So far I am liking the new LS but I have to get throgh the 700+ page owners manual/Nav manual to figure the whole thing out.
#4335 of 24700 syswei by ljflx Mar 04, 2004 (5:56 pm)
That car is gorgeous.
#4336 of 24700 next LS by ljflx Mar 04, 2004 (7:35 pm)
You have to wonder if they will use Giguaro in the design process. Syswei - if a supercar is going to be built it makes no sense to do it as anything but a Lexus. Also that design stays true to the LFS style. It is also a revolutionary car to say the least and defines an entirely new segment that everyone will have to follow in. Now if they build it that will be a car you will wait a long long time for. I can imagine the waiting list.
#4337 of 24700 shipo by merc1 Mar 04, 2004 (9:23 pm)
Funny......I was actually being funny (about the feet part), but there were some cases of manual trans cars being reported as accelerating unintentionally. Also the pedals were placed the same for both transmission types. M
#4338 of 24700 designman by merc1 Mar 04, 2004 (11:13 pm)
Your opinion on the new Mercedes CLS please. I posted this in another topic, but I'm starting to like the BMW 5-Series. Unbelievably the 5-Series actually looks pretty good in lighter colors. M