High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#3917 of 24700 to merc1 about Bentley! by cindyroderick Jan 12, 2004 (6:02 pm)
All Bentleys before VW took over were lemons. Although VW itself is no angel of quality, the new Bentleys especially the GT would be as good as a VW which is excellent news.
#3918 of 24700 footie by merc1 Jan 12, 2004 (10:23 pm)
"So, I enjoy offering corrections or at least a wake-up call." Who in the world left you in charge of anything? Everything is a reliability survey, even when nobody is talking about reliability. I made a statement with a "as I'm told" being clearly stated reguarding the SL's exclusivity yet you've come done from the mountain with CR in one arm and JDP in the other giving the same old rhetoric. What in the world does JDP and CR have to do with anything I said reguarding exclusivity? Nothing. Who made any statements about CR or JDP being wrong or incorrect? No one. In fact I even told anthonycecil and others to check JDP and CR about Bentley/VW, so where you're half-baked post came from I'm not sure. Re-read the last post again. I clearly stated that JDP and CR is the place to check this info out for the questions the posters were asking, yet you bring up Mercedes and Lexus, when the question was about Bentley. I even clearly stated that Lexus is #1 in reliability per these very surveys you life and breathe by, yet you come back with some unrelated bs. Instead of trying to berate everything I said, why don't you dig up some information on Bentley's reliability like the original posters were asking? No watch you not say anything about Bentley because your precious surveys don't cover them, yet you're the one with all the knowledge here. Can you comment on anything except reliability concerning these cars? Probably not. Don't tell me about people you know that own this or drive that because that doesn't give the picture of the entire brand. Now because others used outdated information before and couldn't accept that they didn't have the facts right, the board is now full of misinformation, that figures. Especially when their "generalzations" were proven to be wrong. Yet you come here with this survey crap when no one is even talking about reliability, yet that is supposed to be the end all that encompasses the complete automotive experience. Dude pluhease. Surveys can't tell you squat past reliability, again of which no one was talking about. M
#3919 of 24700 ljflx by merc1 Jan 12, 2004 (10:36 pm)
Nope, I haven't been to Detroit yet, I'm going this weekend. I'll wait for the actual finished product (S-Class) before drawing any conclusions. Autospies is showing a interior picture of the car, but it looks like a 7-Series right down to the vents and idrive controller. I think its better to wait for a concept car or a clearer spy photoe before making any judgements. The car won't even be shown until sometime next year, either at Geneva or Frankfurt. M
#3921 of 24700 merc1 by ljflx Jan 13, 2004 (8:05 am)
I haven't seen the autospies s-class pictures but I would thing automobile mag would be fairly reputable.
#3922 of 24700 reputation keeps on changing by cindyroderick Jan 13, 2004 (4:26 pm)
Automobile Mag is not as reputed as you think. Have you seen their Layout and Articles. They lack character. The wise among us know what we mean here. I think reputation wise the rankings are CR Edmunds, Consumer Guide (a distant second) Rest all is mostly garbage and 0-60 madness.
#3923 of 24700 cindyroderick by ljflx Jan 13, 2004 (5:34 pm)
That's why I call them autorags quite often. But in printing pictures of future cars they've been reputable in the past.
#3924 of 24700 by fenn Jan 14, 2004 (2:37 pm)
Consumer Reports is a good source for reporting on high-end Autos??? ---Consumer Reports looks at autos if they were appliances. Their reports on vacuums and toaster ovens mean more to me than their short capsule style reports on automobiles. Their subjective ratings are quite suspect, and they certainly do not address many auto enthusiast issues. also: Consumer Guide?..As an automobile review resource for car enthusiasts? Huh? Consumer Guide seems to write up cars based on the manufacturer's own press releases.....!!
#3925 of 24700 by syswei Jan 14, 2004 (5:08 pm)
"Consumer Guide seems to write up cars based on the manufacturer's own press releases"...I've heard people make the same criticism about Motor Trend...though I've never read Consumer Guide.
#3926 of 24700 December fast sellers by syswei Jan 14, 2004 (5:10 pm)
MODEL DAYS ON LOT Toyota Prius 8 Mercedes-Benz SL-Class 12 Mini Cooper 12 Toyota Sienna 12 Honda Pilot 13 Lexus GX 470 13 Lexus LS 430 13 Lexus ES 330 14 Acura MDX 15 Honda CR-V 16 Lexus RX 330 16 Data from: 2,818 Dealers; 5,161 Franchises Source: Wall Street Journal and Power Information Network LLC, an affiliate of J.D. Power & Associates