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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
Jan 11, 2004 (9:50 pm)
Read the post again, I clearly said "as I'm told" so if you want to issue with the statement please head over to the ES300 vs TL board in which one poster said this is true in HIS area of the country.....in response to when someone else on the board brought up how exclusive the SL supposedly was. Ever heard of a figure of speech? I guess because this isn't written in the bible (CR, JDP) it isn't so.
Tell you what footie how about you and not trying to answer each other's posts because I'm sure you find mine as ridiculous as I find yours. I've kept my end of this until now.
Well as its been the case everytime so far, its very interesting to get the thoughts of a buyer who says:
"Thankfully, I am able to purchase any car sold around the globe without more then a slight consideration to price. Period."
That is tall statement indeed. The only thing I'm wondering though is whether or not you're missing out on some very special cars, like a Bentley because you place reliability so high. I guess the way I see it, if I had that kind of money other cars (Lexus, #1 in reliability) would be my daily driver and the lesser ones (Bentley, highend MBs, Ferraris etc) would be there for other times. Just my little (much, much shorter money) take on it...lol.
A defection in the Lexus camp! Seriously though I we can only guess as to what his true reasons are. Though it has to be said that there a lot of dealerhip owners here that don't drive the cars they sells, some don't even care for them.
For you guys considering the new Bentley Continental GT: This new car is a VW based product, for better or worse. It shares its basic chassis with the VW Phaeton, and it's W12 engine, but the Bentley adds a turbocharger for it's additional hp. I'm not sure where Bentley would place on the all-important JDP and CR reliability surveys, but we do know where VW comes in at. To ask a current Bentley owner (Arnage, Continental T, Azure) owner how reliable his car has been won't help much because the new Continental GT shares almost nothing with them, and the car it shares most of it's guts with (VW Phaeton) is also brand new, so I'm not sure if there is any data to look at, other than lesser VW's reliability. Or maybe, if available some data the Phaeton's reliability in Germany/Europe since it's been on sale there since 2002.
That could be used as a starting point I guess.
I too saw that picture of the new S' interior, supposedly. I'd say that they got a shot of the 2005 7-Series' interior, you know the refresh thats coming. For Mercedes to copy BMW down the look of their interior is beyond reality. Someone is dead wrong on this one, we'll see who.
Jan 11, 2004 (10:04 pm)
If I had problems with my LS and my Mercedes was trouble free...THE LS WOULD BE GONE...What makes you hang on to it, what do you like about it.
Jan 12, 2004 (3:37 am)
I remember a while back you were talking about how Mercedes offers more/unique colors, well take a look at this.
In the Quattroporte you can specify of course interior/exterior colors, but also the colors for seats, upper dash, steering wheel, brake calipers and carpets! All with your choice of 3 different types of wood, or the aluminum look stuff.
I can't wait to see this car in person!
#3909 of 24726 footie - Multi-dealership owners
Jan 12, 2004 (6:03 am)
I know of a similar situation to that told by anthonycecil. My son's sister-in-law (don't know if that makes her any relationship to me) owns MB, Lexus, RR and other dealerships. She drives an S600. Money truly isn't an object with her. She just bought the first SLR at auction (Christies for charity) for $2.1M.
For my money, which tops out at the LS/S430 level, I am very pleased I got the Lexus after two MB's.
#3910 of 24726 stevestein
Jan 12, 2004 (6:36 am)
From what I know ray catena (himself) use an SL500 as his principle car but also uses an LS430, an S500 and in the past had an Aston Martin for sheer stun appeal. I believe his main car is tied to which one of his dealerships makes the most money. In 2003 I'm told Lexus in Ocean beat out the MB dealership in Edison - for the first time - so he may have to swap out the SL for an SC.
Merc1 - I am not all that excited by that car but the next gen S-class looks like a nice evolution. What did you think of it? I think Automobile had a small story with pictures. Supposedly it will have DVD audio as I am sure most lux brands will have in the near future. In all honesty though I can't tell much difference between DVD audio and high quality CD's. I have a Denon system that plays both at home.
#3911 of 24726 No Chance
Jan 12, 2004 (9:19 am)
I think if most posters here used the caveat, "IMHO" or provided reliable references for their assertions, the casual visitor here would probably get information with the right slant.
What tends to happen though, its that a very small number of people make unsubstantiated assertions or generalize their experience and use that to project that across the population of a particular brand.
It's incorrect and serves as bad advice to forum visitors.
One "no-problem" Mercedes nor "troublesome LS" does not a model line make.
So, I enjoy offering corrections or at least a wake-up call.
And until someone disproves the huge statistical samplings and statistical techniques that Consumer Reports and JDPowers do here in the U.S., the conclusions that they draw about likely experience for any given brand is the best predictor to which we can offer advice.
Remember that the car companies are full of statistics folks capable of shooting holes in the JDP or CR ratings. They probably scrub them pretty hard. Not so much to see if they are wrong, but to see how well they corroborate their own warranty data. IMHO, the silence of the lambs is pretty telling.
Jan 12, 2004 (10:43 am)
I just got back to my computer today and saw your post from last week asking where I was. I have not been around since the third week in December, when I left for a two-week vacation with my girlfriend and her family. Then I had to go to Scottsdale for all of last week for meetings with a client. But I am back, and did fly up to the Detroit Auto Show on Saturday. (I hope you had a nice holiday.)
You should have no concerns about the new GS. The car is a knockout in my eyes. There are many details of the car that don't show up well in photos but do in person. For instance, the headlights are part of a wide "sweep" of sheetmetal that juts out from the side of the car. Hard to see in photos but very nice up close (taken from the LF-S). The car looks nothing like a Maxima either; it is far more substantial and sporty. I feel the car is very unique, and the narrow side windows with a curving arch will become part of the Lexus "look" on future cars. If anything, the car looks a bit like a BMW 745 in the greenhouse.
Having the current GS on the floor next to the the new GS (which was on a turntable) really showed off the differences between the two.
I am very excited about this car. Not everyone will like it, but it is best experienced in person.
#3913 of 24726 lenscap
Jan 12, 2004 (11:24 am)
Thanks. It is growing a bit on me.
Did you hear anything about the next LS (styling, timetable etc) by any chance? Also anything on the HPX - will they build it? They should.
#3914 of 24726 lenscap
Jan 12, 2004 (3:59 pm)
The guys on the GS board weren't that crazy about the new design. Maybe you're words will soften them up. Was the car generating a lot of viewers at the show?
Merc1 - did you happen to go to the show and did you see this GS?