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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#3852 of 24723 all i can say is...
Jan 04, 2004 (9:40 pm)
mercedes should stop producing soooooo many new models. jesus! it seems as though every week, poop! out comes a new mb model out of Germany. Has anyone seen the "MST" Rumor on germancarfans.com? They say MB is planning on rolling out a new "sport" crossover, which is more SUV than the GST. It seriously looks like a Nissan Murano.
Lately, I've been disapointed with the direction MB, not BMW, is heading towards. Have any of you been to the LA Auto Show? Stop by the new 2005 CLS-Vision on display. I could have sworn it wasy designed by Honda or another Japanese company. The front: looks like a Q45 (which isn't repsectable at all in my opinion), and the rear: not typical of a german car. I really don't understand why so many people find the CLS to be more gorgeous than the new 645Ci (according to autospies, and other websites).
I think Mercedes-Benz should spend more time on what they already have, and try to beef up quality and design, rather than build so many new designs, and have them suffer from quality issues and complaints.
contrary to Audi, which in my opinion, has one of the best quality and design (even compared to Lexus). I was really impressed with the whole, intire line, partic. the new A8L. That baby is drop-dead gorgeous.
As usual, the LS430 ultra-lux brought a lot of people around it, and i overheard a couple of people who said the LS430 had better value than the S430/S500. But i don't want to get into that issue...
I'm really starting to get disapointed with Mercedes-Benz lately. They better shape up, because if they don't, i'm shipping out.
approx. $15,000 worth of repairs and damages since 2002
gives me grief every day
"Check-Engine" light for the past year; MB can't fix it
Rattling noises everywhere in the cabin
Both bumpers "fell" off during machine-car wash.
1998 ML320 "original batch"
too many to list; MB replaced it with new '99 ML320
Jan 04, 2004 (10:58 pm)
One would think the '02 S is under warranty. $15k in repairs is lemon law material. Sounds rather strange.
And while the ML has an awful reputation, my wife's '99 ML320 (she gave up her BMW 3 series for it, which still amazes me) has not ever had one single issue. Just plain scheduled maintenance. It's been a darling. Knock on wood.
Jan 04, 2004 (10:59 pm)
Thats just part of the lure of Mercedes, a lot of the older cars are priceless. The SL arguably being the most significant one. There are some that find the years-earlier 540K/SS models more collectable.
I've been on vacation for almost 2 weeks, I didn't even look at a computer or the net during that time (what a relief), so there is lots for me to catch up on. I'll be off to Detroit either this weekend or next, and from the internet buzz this year's show has topped the one last year, didn't think that would be possible.
From what I've seen so far, Ford's new 500 Sedan looks like a few of the cars we've discussed here, namely the LS430 (front end) and any Audi product (roofline). I guess the latter detail shouldn't be a shock, one of the car's designers used to work for Audi.
This union might just work, if and only if the public takes to Chrysler's new products over the next year, if all these new models (something like 10-15) don't fly then the whole thing is done, and I expect DCX to become Daimler-Benz once again.
#3855 of 24723 i'm being nice.
Jan 04, 2004 (11:23 pm)
all the repairs on the '02 S430 are under warrantee (airmatic, brake-booster, oxygen sensor, COMMAND...). Most didn't cost me a dime, but it took lot's of effort to get stuff like a decent loaner car. i felt compelled many many times to write a letter to MB demanding "what can you do for me" basically. i kept my temper many times (ask the dealership where i service/bought my cars).
The '99 ML320 didn't have much problems until late last year. then the bugs came up. what amazed me the most was when the front and rear bumpers fell off during a normal wash at the gas station. that was really pathetic (not to mention when there was a driver of a black X5, along with about 10 other people laughing at me.)
The '98 ML? Don't even ask about it.
I really think the S-Class is getting long in the tooth, particularily after seeing the Audi, BMW, and lexus at the autoshow. i don't mind the interior so much, but i think mb could have done a little bit more for the '03 "refresh", like lexus did with the '04 LS430. the '05/'06 S-Class better look "radical" or else.
Jan 05, 2004 (6:57 pm)
It's still the "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" idea regarding the LS Lexus vs. the S class, at least in the looks dept. At my local auto show I was disappointed by the freshening up of the '04 LS. Although a great car overall, it doesn't offer that much more than my '01. The S class Mercedes has always been beautiful from day one and still is. The Lexus though is the one I think that "better look radical or else" as you put it, when the upcoming major redesign occurs.
Jan 05, 2004 (7:36 pm)
Still two more months of winter...The last few days here in S. C were just a tease . Nevertheless I got out and washed the cars, and appreciated how much easier my wife`s white mercedes cleaned up and didn`t show dirt..My purple Lexus cleaned up nicely, but it looked dirty almost immediately.
I had occasion to see a new S , and to me it looked much nicer with the small chrome stripes on the tail light. I thought of our own Merc 1, but feel Mercedes is overpriced on the S model.
Jan 05, 2004 (7:58 pm)
Enjoy the show - and check out that new GS.
Jan 05, 2004 (10:42 pm)
I take it you will be attending the New York Autoshow in April? There is usually some pretty decent debuts there too.
Ahh..the S-Class...a timeless classic.
Jan 06, 2004 (7:18 am)
The April show seems so far away but yes I'll go - if not for me then for my 13 year old son who is becoming a car nut.
By the way those posts on the 7 board are disturbing. Seems BMW really blew it with this 7 series. A bad after market, heavy depreciation and now quickly falling new sales. In NJ a 78K 7 series leases for almost the same as a $62k LS430. Wish I could figure out how. Either they are pushing losses to the future through the residuals or they've made a special expense reserve. i don't see any zero financing - a big NO-NO for any lux make so they aren't doing it that way.