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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
Nov 18, 2003 (9:17 pm)
Well we obviously differ greatly on design concerning the C-Class. I think it's one of the best looking cars in its class, especially in "Sport" trim with the bigger wheels/tires. Between the G35 Coupe and TL, I'd probably have to go with the G35. They both have about the same power, but the G35 Coupe looks so much better than the TL. If only the G35C had a better interior.
Something about BMW's new choice of direction in styling has turned me off to the whole brand. That combined with not wanting a new 3-Series (the last good looking one left) have ruled BMW out for me. It used to be Mercedes, BMW and Audi in my book. Now it's Mercedes, Audi, with BMW a distant third. Can't explain it, just don't want one now.
Though we disagree on some things your advice is always appreciated. Wouldn't you know it the only used Euro cars I would want are either too expensive (CLK430) or are a little too troublesome for even me to buy....would love a 2001, or 2002 Audi A6 4.2. Still debating that one.
#3547 of 24726 Beware German products!
Nov 19, 2003 (5:28 am)
I bought a Hugo Boss winter coat, knew I had to have it the minute I tried it on. It retailed close to one grand, I bought it on sale, didn't pay anything close to that price. After wearing it for about five days, the cheap zipper doesn't work anymore. Luckily I can still wear it because of the buttons. But come on, for that price, they use a zipper that Kmart would be ashamed to use!
Makes me think other German upscale companies also face market pressure and cut corners.
Nov 19, 2003 (6:33 am)
Once I was talking with a US company that had a German operation, and they said that they were issued a summons by the police because they had someone working at the office after 5:30pm...I guess that was illegal because you can't have your workers work too hard or too long hours in Germany. With that kind of worker productivity, yes maybe they have to cut corners elsewhere to compete with Chinese factories.
Nov 19, 2003 (6:37 am)
Most of Europe is that way. On a Friday the beer starts coming out around 3:30. Everyone is gone by 4:30. It's hard to find people at the exec level around in August at any time. Remember also stores are closed on Sundays. Most people get 5-10 weeks vacation per year. You also don't worry much about getting fired. Different culture and work ethic than America.
Contrast all that with Japanese that are shoved onto subway cars and work till they drop. Europe is lax, America is efficient and a bit crazy and the Japanese are totally gone. There is more to life than work.
Nov 19, 2003 (6:44 am)
Having said that, I know that the Japanese admire German cars. There's a Japanese grocery store nearby that I visit, usually just to look at the auto mags. There are several glossy thick mags that are seemingly devoted exclusively to Italian and German cars.
In this country, we may see Lexus and Infiniti as coming close to MB & BMW, and superior to them in some ways. But I doubt if people in Japan will feel that way, even when they get a chance to drive Lexus and Infiniti in the future.
Nov 19, 2003 (7:33 pm)
Why not a three year old 5 series or E320? I'd prefer either over the Audi and I still think the old E is a classic looking car.
Nov 19, 2003 (9:04 pm)
a 3-yr old Merc if out of warranty may cost more to maintain than, say, a new G35C with full warranty, all for about the same price. You can really overlook the less than stellar interior of the G35C, and enjoy the ride. It is truly a great riding and handling sports coupe. A true hit from Infiniti. It's just that the name just doesn't resonate as much as a BMW or MB, but you really don't lose anything in ownership. Nissan/Infiniti is one understated brand, or that diamond in the rough, imo. A few left turns does not really detract from the bright stars in the den.
Nov 19, 2003 (10:42 pm)
I driven the E-Class enough, there are two family members with E's. The 5-Series is thought I guess. I guess I really want the fat fendered A6 4.2.
Nov 20, 2003 (11:30 am)
Couldn't agree with you more about the A6 4.2 I looked at a used 2003 with 14k miles, black on black with aftermarket 18 inch wheels. It was spectacular! Not the room of my 7, but plenty for 4. Unfortunately, Audi's reputation for big mechanical issues puts me off. Also, for some reason this car was not a certified car, despite being at an Audi dealer. Just the remainder of 4yr/50k miles under warranty. I will say however that a quick drive and those flared fenders have really got me thinking...
Nov 20, 2003 (9:59 pm)
Yes, even I the survey detractor have to look at the Audi sideways, only because my own personal observations haven't been good concerning the V8 drivetrain in the A6 4.2 and the previous A8 with the same engine. They are known for drop their transmission from time to time, especially the A8. A friend of mine was looking at a 1998 C280 at a Audi dealership, but Audi couldn't sell him the car because the person who traded the C280 in for a 2000 A8 had a trans failure a day after he drove off in the A8. It seems Audi was giving him static about fixing the trans so he began to raise hell about getting his old car back. Not sure what the outcome of this was. A 2000 A8 is in my price range, but oh no. That and insurance (aluminum car) would be too much for me. I wouldn't go near an Audi with "Audi Certified" being stamped all over the windshield (lol). It's a gorgeous car though and if I go "pre-driven" as they like to say now, it's my first pick.