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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
Sep 12, 2003 (11:30 am)
Thanks for the levity with the Seinfeld stuff. We need a bit of levity around here. Some people take themselves too seriously.
So, you like to use strong words regarding a comparison of the XJR's performance vs the S55....It is my opinion that you are wrong, and go way overboard by using terms like "smokes the XJR" "crush the cat" "its no contest" ..etc. I get a kick out of your exaggerations and overstatements.
So, I felt compelled to grab a couple of quotes from recent "Road and Track" and "Car and Driver" magazines to answer your comments. I do not agree with everything that I read, and I am not saying that automobile jounalism is beyond reproach, but their credentials are a bit more discernable than yours..........
So, here is a quote from Car and Driver's August issue about the XJR: "That puts the car (XJR) right into the hunt with the Mercedes S55 AMG and BMW 760Li, at a base price—$74,995—that's $30,000 to $40,000 lower than those esteemed models'"........
And, Road and Track's August issue says: "A check of our Road Test Summary shows the XJR handily out-classing our "Five-Star Sedans," the Audi S8, BMW 740i and Mercedes-Benz S55 AMG comparison-tested in November 2001. The Mercedes-Benz S55 was the quickest of this trio, but the XJR beats it by a bunch: 5.1 seconds to 60 versus the S55's 5.7. The Jag reaches the quarter mile in 13.5 sec. at 105.9 mph versus the S55's 14.1 at 102.7."....
I think that for the XJR to be in ballpark with the S55 at such a huge differential is impressive. Apparently, there is little debate about that with most folks.
As a luxury car driver and consumer, I recognize the value... and the performance that it buys. As a self-proclaimed expert, you apparently march to your own drummer...
By the way, I could buy a couple of spare Mitsubishis for less than this price differential...Does that illustrate the XJR vs S55 value issue for you?
Sep 12, 2003 (11:34 am)
Having the S55 beat the XJR by 0.4 of a sec is hardly "burning" it. As far as the other specs, that's what they are mere numbers. I seriously doubt anyone who owns these cars are going to race them.
Those stats are merely tibits for the bull sessions drivers of these cars engage in. I doubt they translate to driving on the Interstate for example. Anyone attempting to realize the full potential of their cars is likely going to get pulled over for their trouble. (At least in MA anyway)
Considering the XJ is $30K (Correct me if I'm wrong) cheaper than the S55 those stats are pretty good.
Besides, there has to be alot of fun had at preying on unsuspecting Mustang and teenage drivers at stoplights, who mistake the Jaguar XJR as an old people's car LOL..XJR owners, have you had any experiences like this?
#2789 of 24726 let's try to be objective here
Sep 12, 2003 (11:48 am)
Let's do try to do an objective analysis so that hopefully we can put the taillight discussion to rest.
Here are the facts:
http://www.toyota.co.jp/Showroom/All_toyota_lineup/Celsior/exteri- - or/images/ex04_svg.jpg
http://www.mbusa.com/brand/container.jsp?/models/gallery/photo_ga- - llery/index.jsp&mcode=S500V&modelCode=S500V&menu=5_0
1. As far as overall shape, the S taillights are triangular, whereas the LS are trapezoidal.
2. The S lights don't extend partly onto the trunk, whereas the LS clearly do.
3. As someone else posted, the S has FOUR clear strips, the LS only ONE.
4. Per lenscap's post, Lexus put a clear strip on the ES taillight in 2000, and Toyota did it with the Supra in 1998. So was MB first?
5. LS's taillights are predominately red. Oh my gosh, they must be copying MB!
6. LS's taillights are - of all places - on the back of the car! Oh my gosh, they must be copying MB!
Let's get real. Someone out there may have an overactive imagination when it comes to seeing copying.
Sep 12, 2003 (11:54 am)
I thought we had all agreed to leave the arguments about "copying" by the wayside.
CLEARLY this is an issue about which we are not going to all agree - let's just agree to disagree and move on! No mind is going to be changed on this so it is pointless to continue to argue about it.
We made this same agreement a couple of months ago, y'know...
It is always interesting to me how sometimes a post fervently pursues some sort of beaten-to-death issue and then closes with words to the effect of "now we should stop talking about it."
The way to "stop talking about it" is to stop talking about it. Expressing further thoughts about an issue invites others to make their counterpoints. Closing an opinion-filled post with "we need to stop talking about it now" is fruitless. What has happened is that the poster has said "I've had my say and you don't get to have yours." Why would anyone accept that?
Continuing to argue "your side" continues to invite others to argue "their side." We are discussing opinions here, folks. Opinions are not something that can ever be objectified.
LET'S MOVE AWAY FROM THE COPYING ISSUE NOW, please!
Sep 12, 2003 (11:56 am)
By the way, I do appreciate the virtues of the S55, and it it was available for $75,000 I might have bought or leased one!
Sep 12, 2003 (12:04 pm)
I heard that Oliver Stone is working on a new script that involves a tail light cloning conspiracy....
#2793 of 24726 DonFenn
Sep 12, 2003 (12:13 pm)
Nice to see your funny side. By the way your posts are fabulous.