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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#2778 of 24723 Addicted to New Cars......
Sep 12, 2003 (7:13 am)
I am already thinking of trading my 2004 RX330 (all my friends have seen it) for a sedan. I am considering the 2004 LS 430, Audi A8L, and Jaguar XJ8. I hope to drive the Audi and Jaguar this weekend. I hated driving 90 minutes for service for the Audi. The Audi A6 was troublesome. I never had a problem with my Q45 (1994) or 2002 LS430, so I didn't mind driving for service.
Don's comments on his XJR have encouraged me to lean towards the Jag. I worry about depreciation too.
I will let you know what I think about my test drives.
Scott in Florida
Sep 12, 2003 (7:26 am)
My hometown doesn't have an Acura, Audi, Infiniti, Lexus or Jaguar dealership. Does this make me a redneck?
What if I don't care that the S55 is .40 seconds faster than the XJR?
Can I overcome my humble beginnings and be taught to appreciate tail light design?
Is there hope?
#2781 of 24723 scottphillip
Sep 12, 2003 (7:42 am)
Thanks for your amusing post 2780. No, where you live and what you value in a car doesn't make you a redneck. Personnally I don't aspire to own a car that tops out at 210mph or whatever, since we live in a country with slightly lower speed limits.
I haven't studied the A8 but recall some talk that it has had some problems, suggest you check the audi boards.
Sep 12, 2003 (11:08 am)
I was thinking the exact same thing about the taillight and Seinfeld! The episode where they all got lost in the parking garage was on TBS last night after the Atlanta Braves game and I totally thought the taillight would make a great episode.
Not to get off topic, but I do miss Seinfeld a lot. Speaking of cars, what about the episode where Kramer accidentally got the wrong license plate and put it on his car (A**MAN).
And speaking of Seinfeld, I saw part of a show on E! the other night with cameramen videotaping celebrities. They caught up with Jerry and his dead Porsche which eventually had to be towed. The same thing happened to another celebrity and her Porsche on the same show (I can't remember her name) and the announcer said something like "So much for German engineering."
#2783 of 24723 lenscap
Sep 12, 2003 (11:30 am)
That was one of my favorites. In fact it was just on last night.
Now how's this for an episode. Kramer hits lotto and buys an LS430. George inherits his parents money and buys an S-500. Jerry has married Elaine and drives a 745LI. Kramer who always drove bombs is not used to the exceptional brakes in an LS430 and stops short at a traffic light which had just turned yellow. George who is used to his S-500 plows into him and wrecks his taillights. Jerry is behind them with Elaine but looks at a beautiful girl on the sidewalk (hey remember that one with the heir to the O'henry fortune) and plows into George wrecking the Benz taillights. They bring the cars over to David Puddy - who now owns a body shop - who proceeds to put the Benz taillight on the Lexus and the Lexus taillight on the Benz creating a big fight between George and Kramer not to mention a huge debate and argument on various Edmunds boards. Naturally Steinbrenner calls George on his cell inviting him back for an exec job, NBC calls Jerry to resurrect the Jerry show and Elaine files for divorce. Kramer - who knows - he's capable of anything. The show closes with Newman pulling up to his mansion in the suburbs in his Rolls Royce taking the mail out of his mailbox.
What creativity merc1 stirs in me.
Sep 12, 2003 (11:53 am)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! That would be a great episode, ljflx!
Sep 12, 2003 (12:19 pm)
I love your creativity! Didn't Kramer once "stop short" (as you put it) with George's mother in the passenger seat and George's father thought Kramer was making a pass at her?
#2786 of 24723 Lenscap
Sep 12, 2003 (12:28 pm)
Yep that was the A--MAN episode - also known as the FUSILI JERRY episode. By the way one of the other funny car shows was the one where Jerry is trying to buy a Saab from David Puddy playing a new car salesman. That was the one where the candy machine fails to drop the twix bar George selected.
Sep 12, 2003 (12:30 pm)
Thanks for the levity with the Seinfeld stuff. We need a bit of levity around here. Some people take themselves too seriously.
So, you like to use strong words regarding a comparison of the XJR's performance vs the S55....It is my opinion that you are wrong, and go way overboard by using terms like "smokes the XJR" "crush the cat" "its no contest" ..etc. I get a kick out of your exaggerations and overstatements.
So, I felt compelled to grab a couple of quotes from recent "Road and Track" and "Car and Driver" magazines to answer your comments. I do not agree with everything that I read, and I am not saying that automobile jounalism is beyond reproach, but their credentials are a bit more discernable than yours..........
So, here is a quote from Car and Driver's August issue about the XJR: "That puts the car (XJR) right into the hunt with the Mercedes S55 AMG and BMW 760Li, at a base price—$74,995—that's $30,000 to $40,000 lower than those esteemed models'"........
And, Road and Track's August issue says: "A check of our Road Test Summary shows the XJR handily out-classing our "Five-Star Sedans," the Audi S8, BMW 740i and Mercedes-Benz S55 AMG comparison-tested in November 2001. The Mercedes-Benz S55 was the quickest of this trio, but the XJR beats it by a bunch: 5.1 seconds to 60 versus the S55's 5.7. The Jag reaches the quarter mile in 13.5 sec. at 105.9 mph versus the S55's 14.1 at 102.7."....
I think that for the XJR to be in ballpark with the S55 at such a huge differential is impressive. Apparently, there is little debate about that with most folks.
As a luxury car driver and consumer, I recognize the value... and the performance that it buys. As a self-proclaimed expert, you apparently march to your own drummer...
By the way, I could buy a couple of spare Mitsubishis for less than this price differential...Does that illustrate the XJR vs S55 value issue for you?