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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
Aug 13, 2003 (8:35 pm)
Yes I'm liking the Maserati more and more. I especially find the interior to be such a relief from the regular business like interiors of the S-Class, 7-Series, A8 and LS430. It's so sensual and scultped...the only thing close in this reguard is a Jaguar's interior. The Quattroporte is exactly what it should be, different from all the rest. I can't wait to see the car in person.
Well I didn't get a chance to see a Maybach at the Benz dealer, they didn't have any around. I guess this strictly by order thing is for real.
We looked at the Acura TL-S, TSX, Passat W8, and the Infiniti G35. Now I'll tell you honestly the G35 Coupe could be my next car whenever I decide I want another car note, I haven't had one since 2000. I love the power and styling overall. I'm not crazy about the rather thick looking rear bumper on the coupe, and some pieces of the interior are cheap feeling/looking.
Anyway back to the sedans, which is why we went in the first place. My friend likes the G35 sedan the best, he as did his uncle hated the TSX, mainly because in automatic form its too slow. We'll go back to the Acura dealer in early Oct to see the new TL. The salesmen were talking as its going to re-write the rules of the entry level market...we'll see. The Passat W8 is almost impossible to find in the Sport configuration. The regular W8 is ok, but it really does need the sportier chassis setup to appreciate the W8 engine. I stand in awe of the Toureg, it's got a knockout interior, and in V8 form is a very complete truck. Dealer says the big vee-dub will be here in Oct, with the V8 going for about 60K and the W12 for about 75K. Can't wait to see that.
Where are you in your decisions for 2004? Range Rover, SL500 and LS430? Or is it LS430, SL500 and LX470 or GX470? I guess you can tell I really want you to try one European car huh..
Aug 13, 2003 (8:43 pm)
The Maserati interior indeed had me also thinking "Jaguar", albeit with some more modern Italian style elements, and the leather stitching seems a beaut.
The Passat is a much better car in 6 cyl configuration - pass on the nose heavy W8. A colleague bought one and hates it since he rode in another colleague 6cyl...
Also agree on the Infiniti G35. European prestige vendors better start taking note of the stuff Nissan corporation is doing, because Ghosn has implemented the most remarkable turn-around witnessed in a while: keep the built quality, spice up the design, and explore lifestyle niches other vendors with less imagination haven't tried.
Totally agree on the Touareg - awesome interior.
Aug 13, 2003 (10:00 pm)
I just read your question about electronics and yes I think Mercedes and BMW especially have gone far enough with this. One thing thats driving this techo war is the fact that every maker in the true luxury class of cars is making a better product and it's getting harder to stand out above the crowd. Some do it by styling/horsepower/innovations (Mercedes and to a lesser extent Jaguar), others do it by sheer quality and refinement (Lexus) and others do it by handling prowess and providing a more stimulating driving experience (BMW)...and then you have Audi that aims to provide all of the above in one dynamic package in the A8.
The side show to all of this is the hp war between the German automakers.
Your concerns have been heard by Mercedes-Benz of all companies. In a recent article in Automobile Magazine and Britian's CAR Magazine, its reported that Mercedes has decided NOT to go ahead with even more complex things like automatic lane correction, among other almost unbelievable things. They (Mercedes) thank god, have also decided not to try and match BMW's idrive concept. The next Comand system is to be designed by Nokia, instead of their current supplier...it should be much simpler to use and more reliable.
BMW has obviously heard the complaints too, as the 5-Series' idrive controller is reported to be much simpler. Audi got wind of the whole thing much earlier and made the A8's MMI system much easier to use than BMW's idrive or Mercedes' Comand setup.
I'm anxious to drive the new 5-Series with it's new electronic variable-ratio steering rack though, in theory it sounds perfect, but the press will tear it apart if it lacks that all important "feel" that a BMW's steering is supposed to have.
I wonder what other innovations are coming down the pike from any of these brands?
Aug 14, 2003 (12:00 am)
Automatic lane correction! What will they think of next?!?! About idrive, so does this mean Mercedes won't have anything like idrive or MMI? Or, that it will just be easier to use than idrive? And finally I was reading MBSPY earlier today. Is their stuff credible? Sorry for all of the questions! Thanks
Aug 14, 2003 (12:10 am)
Well the current speculation is that Mercedes won't have anything like idrive, they're sticking with Comand and they're going to simplfy that. Yes! MBSPY is the best source of Mercedes-Benz info. Far and away better than any garbage posted by others like autospies.
Aug 14, 2003 (8:51 am)
Merc, I'm glad to hear MB is holding back on implementing an iDrive concept. That sort of thing drives me crazy. I think it's better if Automakers focus more on the drivetrain and interior design.
Obviously some innovations such as Traction Control and ABS are welcome. I like the Heads up Display on the new 5 Series. It's a good way to keep the driver's attention on the road where it should be. But, gimmicks like Voice Activated Controls on my LS430 annoy the everlasting hell out of me.
As far as the HP wars..What are you going to do with all that power? In Massachusetts, you'll be pulled over after 70 MPH. Unless you live in Montana, what's the use? (Of course: Bragging Rights) I don't really care that my LS430 has 40 more Horsepower than my older LS400.
As for the future..It'd be nice to see automakers come out with a simple attachment to integrate any current cell phone into the car Cellular system. I know this is hardly Innovation, but it would be useful, as I'd rather not spend $700 just to get the "Lexus" carphone!
Aug 14, 2003 (1:16 pm)
Well Merc, I'm glad you like MBSPY, because I certainly do. I also find Autospies interesting. But, some of their stuff is pretty iffy. So, I am always cautious of what they have to say.
I think that systems like idrive, and MMI, are great concepts. But they need to be done right. I'm sure that after time, they become easier to use.
And even if Mercedes stays away from a system like idrive, there is no doubt in my mind that this next S will be a technological tour de force. Let's just hope Mercedes doesn't take any styling hints from the BMW killer, Mr. Bnagle!
Aug 14, 2003 (1:36 pm)
What I want in a car is premium craftsmanship and solid built, very nice materials, great ergonomy, and actually a good feel for the road without much electronic intervention. I want to sit nicely and comfortable, while having as little electronic between me and the engine and chassis, that way I don't feel like there's a chaffeur between me and the car. I don't want a car that is so refined that it isolates me to the point of boredom - I like a certain raw edge. Not kit car, loosen your fillings, like, but simply direct and with a certain amount of insolence. Less hyper benevolent "I am sure that's not what you meant", and more of a "you asked for it" attitude. Less Four Seasons concierge, more Paris French bistro server.
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Aug 14, 2003 (1:55 pm)
I understand that the traditional black London Taxi cab will be operating in Boston soon. The hideous looking taxicab was introduced on Boston TV two nights ago and I believe you can buy one as a private passenger car as Arnold Schwarzenegger has already done.
The car is estimated to have a useful life of 500,000 miles. Does anyone know the pedigree of this car and how much it costs?
Aug 14, 2003 (3:11 pm)
Sounds like you want a Miata...I think it fits all your criteria. Close to the road, Very fun to drive (I have one), not much power assist. Definately no boredom, and reasonably comfortable. (as long as you are not driving cross country)