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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#2514 of 24726 1 week in a Q
Jul 23, 2003 (10:17 am)
I picked up my new 2003 Q 45 one week ago. I want to report that I am totally awed by the car. It is without question the finest car I have ever driven. It is much better in every respect then I thought it would be. I cannot believe that another car is superior in some meaningful aspect, one that a driver would actually feel.
I am also grateful to all other luxury car buyers who shun the Q 45. This has once again allowed me to lease this car at rates that are ridiculous when compared to the competition. My only conclusion to this phenomena is consumers inability to perceive the Q 45 for what it is. I believe the A 8 will fail for the same reason in the US market.
Back in the mid 80's I sold Jaguar cars. Before beginning this job I had never driven a Jaguar, but thought they were wonderful automobiles. During my first drive, my thinking changed. I thought the 1985 XJ6 was a terrible car in almost every respect. But boy did they sell. I concluded that you could have made the seat out of pins, and it would not matter. People were sold on the "perception" of the car. Reality did not enter into customers decision making process. When Infiniti designed the 1990 Q 45, they made the mistake of actually believing that customer's purchase decisions were based on things like performance. I could have told them, nothing could be further from the truth. Today Infiniti is still suffering from this mistake.
Jul 23, 2003 (11:03 am)
Aramus, good luck with the car. If you live in the place where snow falls, don't forget to keep us posted on how the car is in the winter.
Jul 23, 2003 (5:24 pm)
The Range Rover was very impressive and I'll drive it again in the future. The LX470 is the favorite given my excellent experience with it but the Range Rover must be seriously considered. Very high quality indeed. It's past reliability would - of course - concern me, particularly now as I intend to buy and take a business tax deduction rather than lease.
A8 - The tires were the standard ones. Now here's something interesting. I received a follow-up call from the sales rep today. No sales pressure - just a very curteous call to see if I was satisfied with the dealer, test drive etc. I had made it clear I wasn't buying or leasing until late in the year and was simply starting to look around. Anyway I told her I was somewhat disappointed in the A8's ride for such a high-end car. She told me that Audi had indeed stiffened the ride and that the car to go for if I wanted smoothness like a Lexus LS or an MB S would be the still unavailable VW Phaeton. Naturally the dealer also owned a VW dealership in another area of my county. So I wonder if Audi/VW has strategized the A8 to be its sport horse and the VW to be its quiet smooth riding car. I assume they are off the same chassis. Not a smart move if that is the case. Fighting MB and BMW (plus Lexus in the US) with two different brands (that ride differently but look similarly) is about as ill conceived a business plan as I've ever seen. So I don't think those who are finding the ride stiff, harsh and noisy are incurring anything but a VW planned experience. It's a shame because the A8 is a stunning car and the only thing I didn't like visually about the car is the rear lights. The paint on this car is the best I've ever seen.
Yes - that was the article. I didn't want you to miss it good buddy. Seeing Jay Leno pull up to a Mac drive through with a Maybach was about as good as seeing a poodle in the back seat of a classic Rolls Royce - being driven by a chaffeur - with no one else in the car. Saw it on Park avenue a long time ago and could never forget it.
Michael - what Lexus board are you referring to - the LS? That has 4000+ posts.
Jul 23, 2003 (8:41 pm)
You really should go for the Ranger Rover. Most people are awed by it show car looks and interior. I don't like SUVs myself, but I still think it's the best there is right now. Have you seen the new VW Toureg?
Your guess about VW and Audi's strategy is exactly correct. VW is going after Mercedes and Audi is going after BMW. I think in the end Audi will still be Audi and VW will have made some wonderful cars, but won't ever have the dealer setup, or image to take on Mercedes-Benz, nor will they have the sheer depth of models required to do that, nobody does. I'm really anxious to see the Phaeton in person, and check out it's interior, because I have sat in the new Toureg and it has a fabulous interior, probably just as good as the Range Rover, for 20K less. Since people already pay 30-50K for SUVs from everyone else including your average Ford dealer I don't see much a problem for the VW SUV, but the Phaeton I don't see making it here. VW's dealers, mainly their service practices aren't going to jive with a 60K (V8 model) or a 80K (W12 model) car......no matter how lavish the car is.
I posted a link to the Jay Leno/Maybach photos a few posts back. While I love the car's interior I can't say that I'm crazy about it's exterior. I'm so glad that particular stylist is no longer with Mercedes-Benz. He was also responsible for the new CLK, another Benz I'm not crazy about when it comes to it's looks.
#2522 of 24726 A8's harsh ride
Jul 24, 2003 (3:22 am)
My testing vehicle has Dunlop winter sports 2(Audi gave most US testing vehicle winter tires because we are in Michigan), I always use the firmest setting: dynamic and the ride just feel right, I did ride in a 19 inch potenza A8 and even on the lift setting still feel firmer than mine but I like it, also once I had to change my front left tire to the 19 inch(standard spare tire) and I can feel more grip and firmer ride so I guess this is just a personal preference, from my three and half month driving, I want to say the more I drive it, the more I like it.
Jul 24, 2003 (3:28 am)
I saw a black phaeton in Frankfurt airport concourse this Jan., only cost 169 EURO to rent one day, it has a very impressive present and definitely more up scale interior than Toureg.