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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#2489 of 24726 What Does the Market Have To Say?
Jul 18, 2003 (6:03 pm)
Some recent US sales data:
Make Model May 2003 May 2002 2003 YTD 2002 YTD
Mercedes-Benz S-Class 1,989 2,002 9,281 8,642
BMW 7 Series 1,973 2,209 8,358 8,888
Lexus LS 430 1,848 2,451 8,003 10,777
Cadillac Seville 1,773 1,524 9,494 8,967
Volvo S80 1,399 1,121 5,826 6,407
Jaguar S-Type 1,388 1,246 5,965 5,820
Lexus GS 300 1,058 1,233 4,236 5,911
Jaguar XJ Series 930 801 2,386 3,594
Saab 9-5 763 1,202 3,882 4,199
Acura 3.5 RL 671 667 2,956 3,841
Infiniti M45 298 - 1,645 -
Infiniti Q45 190 294 1,008 1,676
Lexus GS 430 190 277 852 1,052
Audi A8 142 84 396 456
Audi S8 5 40 114 206
Doesn't look pretty in this market segment for Audi or Infiniti!
#2490 of 24726 Go Volvo, Cadillac, and Saab!!!
Jul 18, 2003 (6:11 pm)
The S80, Seville, and 9-5 sold GREAT! Especially the 9-5, which has been out a while and is known about by few people!!! The A8 and S8 should be combined and the 9-5, Seville, S80, M45, GS300/430, and S Type shouldn't be there as they are in the mid-level luxury class.
Jul 18, 2003 (6:37 pm)
I said "give me the credit of having correct opinion on a car's design/sales success" implying future possibility what makes a world of difference form "insisting that your opinion is "correct"". I normally don't have a problem of being understood neither. And there is no need in apologies - this is just difference of opinions, in a pointless discussion, where obviously "there is no such thing as a "correct" opinion". But, upon mutual agreement, lets drop this particular going nowhere topic, which shouldn't have existed in the first place - and finally go back to cars.
In reality, if current Nissan President is the best of what Nissan can offer, it sort of looks sad - it is simply larger first generation Q... In reality it means, that there is nothing up in the sleeve with what Infiniti could reinforce it's upper echelone here in US.
BMW 7-Reihe design - I am truly surprized with bimmers 2nd place - all my buddies in Germany don't like it's design (esp. the rear), and to the best of my knowledge, it doesn't sell well there - but, these is the US data, and obviously it's not a problem here. I wonder, what the numbers will be for a model/total sales...
#2492 of 24726 My dream luxury car
Jul 18, 2003 (8:55 pm)
If I could build a luxury car, I would build one with these companies' parts:
Audi A8L: exterior and interior styling
BMW: "titanium silver" metallic paint (simply the best silver I have ever seen), "fun to drive" factor, and transmission
Lexus: reliability, very quiet ride, and fit and finish
Mercedes: engine and suspension
As far as leather, brakes, navigation, rear camera, interior materials, and best looking rims, I have no idea? Please tell me what is your ideal car.
Jul 18, 2003 (9:33 pm)
Is Q45 exterior, XJ Type interior (besides stereo and roominess) and gas mileage, LS430 reliablity, stereo controls, and resale value, Q45 rear camera, extended S Class roominess, and A8/Q45 exclusitivity.
Jul 19, 2003 (2:07 pm)
I was supposed to be at at an event test driving the A8, S-class and 7 Series Sunday at the Fontana Motor Speedway...However, I tore my achilles tendon while playing tennis and I cannot drive (right foot). What a bummer!
Meanwhile, as a temporarily disabled driver, I have had the opportunity to sit as a passenger in my Q45 for the last couple of days. It really is smooth, quiet and comfortable. ..48,000 miles and no rattles either.... It gives a different impression to sit as a passenger in your own car. It reaffirmed how much I like my Q45......but I still have a hankering for an A8.
#2495 of 24726 DonFenn
Jul 20, 2003 (3:22 pm)
Be careful. I also like that A8 but have gotten used to Lexus LS430 perfection. The Q has that same type of reliability and I'm sure you've gotten used to it as well. I've got 52k perfect miles and the car is as quiet, smooth and rattle free as day one and never required anything but ordinary maintenance. I come do for a new lease next year and the prelim LS pix look pretty good so I'm most likely staying put.
My ex boss has had his 2003 A8 in the shop 5 times in 5 months already. His 2000 A8 was also a problem car. But he will not drive anything that is not AWD here in the Northeast. I had told him to try the S500 4-matic but he's not an MB type.
#2497 of 24726 libertycat
Jul 20, 2003 (11:38 pm)
Now let me see if I have this right, first you quote me as saying the Q45 is "ugly as sin", yet that wasn't my post. Next up it's your opinion that I don't know anything about the Q45 and I'm
supposed to accept that? Right.
I must say I'm shocked that you'd recommend a S500 to anyone.
Jul 21, 2003 (8:42 am)
merc1 - what's so wrong with S500? the way I see it, any car in this group is a marvelous achivement of automotive engineering. My personal preference, Q45, is my preference 'cuz it's best bang for the buck, in my opinion, is reliable and I have nothing against its styling - but 20 yaers ago (when I didn't have money for any of these cars, he-he - but granted, I did) my choice could be something else - so with ljflx.