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24700 messages,  Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens

What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: used phaeton & other 12 cylinder fun [elias] by stkntraffic
Nov 02, 2009 (4:40 pm)
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Replying to: elias (Oct 31, 2009 5:18 pm)

C&D had a big caveat on the MB... you better have a lot of money to spend on repairs. The guy who bought the MB featured in the mag had spent almost as much on repairs as his original purchase price. I talked to a retired MB mechanic who advised to stay far away from the 12-cylinder models. Every repair is very expensive because they're so hard to work on.
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Re: A better value proposition? [aeggroup] by blckislandguy
Nov 15, 2009 (6:50 pm)
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Replying to: aeggroup (Nov 02, 2009 12:37 pm)

Not according to the '09 S Class brochure that I have.
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Re: used phaeton & other 12 cylinder fun [stkntraffic] by blckislandguy
Nov 15, 2009 (6:51 pm)
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Replying to: stkntraffic (Nov 02, 2009 4:40 pm)

Maybe the six most feared words in the English Language are, "Your Mercedes is out of warranty"?
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Re: used phaeton & other 12 cylinder fun [blckislandguy] by stkntraffic
Nov 16, 2009 (4:38 am)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Nov 15, 2009 6:51 pm)

... said with a German accent...
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Re: used phaeton & other 12 cylinder fun [stkntraffic] by benznessman
Nov 16, 2009 (7:12 am)
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Replying to: stkntraffic (Nov 16, 2009 4:38 am)

The Bottom line is, if you cant afford it then dont buy it...for those of us who can lets indulge in the comfort and the gobs of power we have under our right foot.
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Re: used phaeton & other 12 cylinder fun [stkntraffic] by kirstie_h HOST
Nov 16, 2009 (7:21 am)
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Replying to: stkntraffic (Nov 02, 2009 4:40 pm)

True, that - I was just mentioning to someone else re: a similarly complex vehicle, older model - if your most pressing question about this vehicle is, "is this a good purchase price?" then you probably don't have any business buying it.
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Leasing a new 2009 or 2010 750li by adefina
Nov 17, 2009 (6:11 am)
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I have a lease up on a 750li with a buyout of 52,000 and only 27,000 miles.
I am considering purchasing it primarily because I like the interior better than the new model and it is in pristeen condition. But, should I lease a new 750li, can I do better leasing the 2009 with $6000 off in incentives (plus dealer negotiation) with a lower residual OR leasing the 2010 with a higher residual? Confused . . .
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Re: Leasing a new 2009 or 2010 750li [adefina] by blckislandguy
Nov 21, 2009 (10:36 am)
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Replying to: adefina (Nov 17, 2009 6:11 am)

You are not giving us enough info to solve the equation (e.g., model year of 750iL ,etc. etc. ) but, here are a couple of ideas.
 
1) Your 750iL has low miles so you would be "giving" them away for free if you turned the car back in.
 
2) You now can get an AWD 7 Series so this is different from an apples to apples comparison between old vs new if you live in the Northeast and value getting home every night in January and February.
 
3) can you purchase an extended warranty on your present 750iL?
 
4) Given the horendous resale on a 7 Series, a 6K discount on a now-one year old model is a joke. Gosh, its already depreciated maybe 20K!
 
I think you should do a lot more research and analysis on this because some significant $$$ are at stake.
 
PS I don't agree with JP Morgan, benzessman, or Kirstie H, the Host, that asking for complete data to make an informed decision implies that you can't afford to play and that somehow you are a lesser mortal. Everyone in the car biz knows that a car purchase is 80% emotion and this angle is emphasized. (If you take emotion out of the picture why would anyone in the US buy a Range Rover, for example???).
 
I'm continually struck by the tendency of a lot of people to casually drive over to a car dealership on a Saturday afternoon, impulsively make a deal, and come home committed to a long term agreement that may not suit them. This is especially true of the leasing crowd.
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Re: Leasing a new 2009 or 2010 750li [blckislandguy] by kirstie_h HOST
Nov 21, 2009 (12:13 pm)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Nov 21, 2009 10:36 am)

You misunderstood my comment - I don't think asking for complete data in any way means you're a lesser mortal. In fact, I was implying that more than just purchase price needs to be researched. My point is that some models have very high maintenance and repair costs. Before entering into a purchase, one needs to feel comfortable that they can afford those costs as well, especially if those costs are LIKELY.
 
I could've purchased a really nifty BMW 635csi for about $3K a couple of years ago. In that instance, purchase price should not have been my main concern. I would've likely spent well over the $3K in repairs by now. I was merely pointing out that not all "good deals" are as good for the buyer as they might seem to be.
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Re: Leasing a new 2009 or 2010 750li [blckislandguy] by slear
Nov 27, 2009 (8:17 am)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Nov 21, 2009 10:36 am)

when you go in to a dealer to buy a car, what then is the correct set of information you've compiled to be able to know exactly what price to strike with the dealer?
 
We've gone to edmunds, etc, priced out the model w/the exact options we want and have sent requests for quotes to several dealers. Nonetheless, I always feel as though I'm walking in to a shell game anytime I walk in to a dealer and never quite certain I've avoided unnecessary and conspicuously labeled cost gimmicks.
 
any and all wisdom (and honesty) greatly appreciated...

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