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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

#24683 of 24693 used phaeton & other 12 cylinder fun by elias Oct 31, 2009 (5:18 pm)
I saw a phaeton on the highway this week and was reminded as a VW fan of its awesomeness while also its oddness and rarity . could it be a good value used car? some have 12 cylinders! Fun! C&D recently did a "best cars for under $20k, used or new" - and one was a ~1990s 12 cylinder Benz with high mileage. Also fun. Hopefully cars like the above are eligible for discussion here unless there is a model-year restriction ?! cheers. Replies to this message: stkntraffic (Nov 02, 2009 4:40 pm) blckislandguy (Nov 15, 2009 6:51 pm) stkntraffic (Nov 16, 2009 4:38 am) and 1 more... kirstie_h (Nov 16, 2009 7:21 am)
#24684 of 24693 Re: A better value proposition? [blckislandguy] by aeggroup Nov 02, 2009 (12:37 pm)
Replying to: blckislandguy (Oct 31, 2009 4:21 pm) FYI....MB 4Matic has the same 7 speed trasmission as RWD model. Replies to this message: blckislandguy (Nov 15, 2009 6:50 pm)
#24685 of 24693 Re: used phaeton & other 12 cylinder fun [elias] by stkntraffic Nov 02, 2009 (4:40 pm)
Replying to: elias (Oct 31, 2009 5:18 pm) C&D had a big caveat on the MB... you better have a lot of money to spend on repairs. The guy who bought the MB featured in the mag had spent almost as much on repairs as his original purchase price. I talked to a retired MB mechanic who advised to stay far away from the 12-cylinder models. Every repair is very expensive because they're so hard to work on. Replies to this message: blckislandguy (Nov 15, 2009 6:51 pm) stkntraffic (Nov 16, 2009 4:38 am) benznessman (Nov 16, 2009 7:12 am) kirstie_h (Nov 16, 2009 7:21 am)
#24686 of 24693 Re: A better value proposition? [aeggroup] by blckislandguy Nov 15, 2009 (6:50 pm)
Replying to: aeggroup (Nov 02, 2009 12:37 pm) Not according to the '09 S Class brochure that I have.
#24687 of 24693 Re: used phaeton & other 12 cylinder fun [stkntraffic] by blckislandguy Nov 15, 2009 (6:51 pm)
Replying to: stkntraffic (Nov 02, 2009 4:40 pm) Maybe the six most feared words in the English Language are, "Your Mercedes is out of warranty"? Replies to this message: stkntraffic (Nov 16, 2009 4:38 am) benznessman (Nov 16, 2009 7:12 am)
#24688 of 24693 Re: used phaeton & other 12 cylinder fun [blckislandguy] by stkntraffic Nov 16, 2009 (4:38 am)
Replying to: blckislandguy (Nov 15, 2009 6:51 pm) ... said with a German accent... Replies to this message: benznessman (Nov 16, 2009 7:12 am)
#24689 of 24693 Re: used phaeton & other 12 cylinder fun [stkntraffic] by benznessman Nov 16, 2009 (7:12 am)
Replying to: stkntraffic (Nov 16, 2009 4:38 am) The Bottom line is, if you cant afford it then dont buy it...for those of us who can lets indulge in the comfort and the gobs of power we have under our right foot.
#24690 of 24693 Re: used phaeton & other 12 cylinder fun [stkntraffic] by kirstie_h HOST Nov 16, 2009 (7:21 am)
Replying to: stkntraffic (Nov 02, 2009 4:40 pm) True, that - I was just mentioning to someone else re: a similarly complex vehicle, older model - if your most pressing question about this vehicle is, "is this a good purchase price?" then you probably don't have any business buying it.
#24691 of 24693 Leasing a new 2009 or 2010 750li by adefina Nov 17, 2009 (6:11 am)
I have a lease up on a 750li with a buyout of 52,000 and only 27,000 miles. I am considering purchasing it primarily because I like the interior better than the new model and it is in pristeen condition. But, should I lease a new 750li, can I do better leasing the 2009 with $6000 off in incentives (plus dealer negotiation) with a lower residual OR leasing the 2010 with a higher residual? Confused . . . Replies to this message: blckislandguy (Nov 21, 2009 10:36 am) kirstie_h (Nov 21, 2009 12:13 pm)
#24692 of 24693 Re: Leasing a new 2009 or 2010 750li [adefina] by blckislandguy Nov 21, 2009 (10:36 am)
Replying to: adefina (Nov 17, 2009 6:11 am) You are not giving us enough info to solve the equation (e.g., model year of 750iL ,etc. etc. ) but, here are a couple of ideas.   1) Your 750iL has low miles so you would be "giving" them away for free if you turned the car back in.   2) You now can get an AWD 7 Series so this is different from an apples to apples comparison between old vs new if you live in the Northeast and value getting home every night in January and February.   3) can you purchase an extended warranty on your present 750iL?   4) Given the horendous resale on a 7 Series, a 6K discount on a now-one year old model is a joke. Gosh, its already depreciated maybe 20K!   I think you should do a lot more research and analysis on this because some significant $$$ are at stake.   PS I don't agree with JP Morgan, benzessman, or Kirstie H, the Host, that asking for complete data to make an informed decision implies that you can't afford to play and that somehow you are a lesser mortal. Everyone in the car biz knows that a car purchase is 80% emotion and this angle is emphasized. (If you take emotion out of the picture why would anyone in the US buy a Range Rover, for example???).   I'm continually struck by the tendency of a lot of people to casually drive over to a car dealership on a Saturday afternoon, impulsively make a deal, and come home committed to a long term agreement that may not suit them. This is especially true of the leasing crowd. Replies to this message: kirstie_h (Nov 21, 2009 12:13 pm)

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