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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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LS vs. E350 by carolinabob
Aug 19, 2009 (5:30 am)
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Although technically not the same class, the price is about the same once you add the necessary packages to the E.
   I compared both LS 460 and LS 430 to new and old E's. Interestingly, MB just does not have all the goodies on their cars that the competition has, even Genesis. If you add the ones you can, the cost rises astronomically.
   Like the 460, but see too many complaints about wind noise, road noise, engine problems, etc. Also 430 seems to ride better from reports.
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Re: LS vs. E350 [carolinabob] by benznessman
Aug 19, 2009 (7:54 pm)
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Replying to: carolinabob (Aug 19, 2009 5:30 am)

You said it yourself...you are comparing 2 different classes of vehicle...even the genesis is a full-size car...but if you compare for yourself the E-class to any of its competitors then you will find that it is superior to most if not all is competitors...and im certain you were kidding about the price comparison of the 2 vehicles th lexus starts around 77k the e-class at about 53k and im nt certain what package(goodies) you find to be necessary so i couldnt tell you if you were even close to accurate... the LS460 in my opinion just to have it on record is severly over priced and so is LS600h
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Re: LS vs. E350 [benznessman] by sanjaysdca
Aug 20, 2009 (8:17 am)
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Replying to: benznessman (Aug 19, 2009 7:54 pm)

Car and Driver compared 50K cars and the ranking is
1) Audi A6
2) BMW 5 series
3) Infiniti M45
4) Jaguar XF
5) 2010 MB E350
 
They did not have much good to say about the car (compared to competition)
According to car and Driver MB is the car that you buy to impress the neighbours..
 
Also in SoCal with all the incentives available a base 2009 E350 can be had for 40K..if you can find one.
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Re: LS vs. E350 [benznessman] by carolinabob
Aug 20, 2009 (9:39 am)
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Replying to: benznessman (Aug 19, 2009 7:54 pm)

I compared prices on Edmunds and from dealers. LS460 is not much more than a comparably equipped E350, but the LS has more features on it that E350 does not.
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Re: LS vs. E350 [carolinabob] by sanjaysdca
Aug 20, 2009 (10:20 am)
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Replying to: carolinabob (Aug 20, 2009 9:39 am)

couldnt agree with you more...
 
there are better choices out there for the money and prestige...
unless you have to have three-pointed-star to boost your ego...
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Re: LS vs. E350 [sanjaysdca] by stkntraffic
Aug 20, 2009 (12:46 pm)
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Replying to: sanjaysdca (Aug 20, 2009 8:17 am)

It was kind of interesting that in the same issue, after ranking the MB in last place, they also had an article about the MB E-class CPO program. Seems to me they're a better deal used... MB adds something like another 50K miles to the warranty, plus there's no deductibles.
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Jaguar XJ - 2010 by trythison
Aug 20, 2009 (6:28 pm)
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Sat in the new XJ in Pebble over the weekend and I couldn't believe I was sitting in a Jaguar. For a ton of money, I would love to get my hands on the new DBS Volante..stunning. But the Jag, a bit more realistic for me, was something unexpected.
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Re: LS vs. E350 [sanjaysdca] by benznessman
Aug 21, 2009 (10:26 am)
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Replying to: sanjaysdca (Aug 20, 2009 8:17 am)

again i say test it for yourself...i personally have 2 MB's myself and i havent had a singl problem out of either of them and i wouldnt dare sell them...i have tried bmw, audi, lexus, acura, and infiniti...i have even owned hem all b4 and i can assure you they would stil be in my driveway if they were any good what so ever...ea. had very similar problems...terrible suspension, electrical failure, and in the infiniti transmission failure...and to those who assue all mercedes owners have ego issues your wrong...we just enjoy buying cars that last more than 5yrs after they leave the assymbly line
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Mercede Benz and all the others by bob204
Aug 21, 2009 (11:09 am)
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A recent review of the so-called top 5 $50k automobiles ranked the Mercedes Benz last and grudgingly so.. The Audi A-6, BMW 5 series and even a Jaguar far exceeded anything MB sells, including quality control issues which have plaqued the manufacturer for decades. Every Benz I have ever owned spent an inordinate amount of time in the repair shops... Never Again!!
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Re: Mercede Benz and all the others [bob204] by stkntraffic
Aug 21, 2009 (2:45 pm)
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Replying to: bob204 (Aug 21, 2009 11:09 am)

However, that same review ranked the Audi in first place, and I have not yet met an Audi owner who would ever buy another one. I know a number of people that took meticulous care of their Audi, and had premature transmission failure, electrical problems, etc. And most repairs are $1K +.
 
The point being, I take all the car reviews with a grain of salt. The reviewer generally looks at how well-engineered the car is. But good engineering does not always equal reliability.

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