High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#24567 of 24700 Mercedes Reliability Plummets by houdini1 Oct 16, 2007 (2:18 pm)
In CR's latest reliability ratings Mercedes Benz has plummeted to the bottom. The only Mercedes with an above average rating is the lowly C class. That means their luxury cars are really, really unreliable. As a result their sales have suffered. I am surprised that they sell anything above the C class. This is unacceptable and inexcusable for an auto maker that was once known for good build quality and reliability. My take is that they are desperately trying to hold onto their profit margins by scrimping on quality. In their frantic efforts to compete with Lexus they have, indeed, thrown the baby out with the bath water! Replies to this message: stkntraffic (Oct 16, 2007 3:41 pm) houdini1 (Oct 16, 2007 5:09 pm) cdnpinhead (Oct 16, 2007 5:33 pm) and 1 more...
#24568 of 24700 Re: Mercedes Reliability Plummets [houdini1] by stkntraffic Oct 16, 2007 (3:41 pm)
Replying to: houdini1 (Oct 16, 2007 2:18 pm) I don't have a dog in this fight, since Mercedes doesn't really appeal to me anyway, but I would take what CR says with a grain of salt. Their testing and rating methods have come into question in the past. Their ratings are based on the responses to member surveys, not necessarily a stringent quantitative methodology. Replies to this message: houdini1 (Oct 16, 2007 5:09 pm) cdnpinhead (Oct 16, 2007 5:33 pm) houdini1 (Oct 17, 2007 4:35 am)
#24569 of 24700 Re: Mercedes Reliability Plummets [stkntraffic] by houdini1 Oct 16, 2007 (5:09 pm)
Replying to: stkntraffic (Oct 16, 2007 3:41 pm) I see your point and agree with it somewhat. I have owned more than one Mercedes in the past and they have been OK. But when CR and Wards both put them near the bottom there has to be some truth there. The problem I have with CR is how do they know their respondents are being truthful? For instance, the Prius was rated #1 in reliability but I have heard of many, many problems with that particular car. I have a tough time with that one. Replies to this message: cdnpinhead (Oct 16, 2007 5:33 pm) houdini1 (Oct 17, 2007 4:35 am)
#24570 of 24700 Re: Mercedes Reliability Plummets [houdini1] by cdnpinhead Oct 16, 2007 (5:33 pm)
Replying to: houdini1 (Oct 16, 2007 5:09 pm) ". . .the Prius was rated #1 in reliability. . ." Oh, ye of little faith. You have to remember that a hybrid is a "lifestyle statement" and that CR is pimping big time for those who will make one. Their highly-regarded (by the brain-dead) reliability studies come from a self-selected cohort. The self-righteous among them who have had trouble with their hybrid vehicles would rather spend time with Rush Limbaugh (in person) than report trouble. They're silent, and CR continues to pimp the green agenda. Oh boy. Calming down a bit, it's important to remember that the CR reliability stuff comes from only those who choose to respond to a tedious survey form that takes quite awhile to complete. Unless you have a message to send, I'm guessing you're going to blow it off. Go figure. Replies to this message: houdini1 (Oct 17, 2007 4:35 am)
#24571 of 24700 Re: Mercedes Reliability Plummets [cdnpinhead] by houdini1 Oct 17, 2007 (4:35 am)
Replying to: cdnpinhead (Oct 16, 2007 5:33 pm) Lol. Just what I was trying to say but you said it much better than I could!
#24572 of 24700 Another Surprise from CR by houdini1 Oct 18, 2007 (8:03 am)
In the category, "Sports/Sporty cars" there were 12 entries. The "sporty" Volkswagen GTI came in dead last, number 12! Right behind the Hyundai Tiburon! Amazing, but not really surprising I guess.
#24573 of 24700 M35 and Maxima same car? not. by elias Oct 23, 2007 (6:10 am)
Replying to: 500lbman (Sep 13, 2007 11:39 am) 1/4-ton-dude, you say the Maxima and the M35 are the same car and that makes me wonder if you are engaging in posterior speech egress. Isn't it true that M35 is RWD and Maxima is FWD? so right off the bat don't we see that they are very different cars, not the same at all? thank you. Replies to this message: houdini1 (Oct 23, 2007 2:00 pm)
#24574 of 24700 Re: M35 and Maxima same car? not. [elias] by houdini1 Oct 23, 2007 (2:00 pm)
Replying to: elias (Oct 23, 2007 6:10 am) Lol! Infiniti used to have the I30 but it has been dropped. It was pretty much a re-badged Maxima... but nothing like the M35.
#24576 of 24700 Why buy a Mercedes instead of a BMW as your luxury car of choice? by theinric Dec 05, 2007 (2:09 am)
Why would you choose a Mercedes instead of a BMW as your luxury car of choice? I own a Mercedes CLS500 and chose it over a BMW but am interested in why others may have made a similar decision. Replies to this message: benznessman (Dec 05, 2007 11:47 am) houdini1 (Dec 05, 2007 1:10 pm) benznessman (Dec 07, 2007 3:54 pm)