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24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: 500lbman (Sep 13, 2007 11:39 am) Actually, having driven every single one of the mid-lux cars currently on sale, I can say that the Infiniti M easily ranks among the best. It thoroughly trounces the RL and the GS, and it beats the rapidly aging E-class, both in performance and technology. It takes a BMW 5 to outperform the M. The "they are a rebadged Toyota\Nissan" is a tired, stale and cheap argument from the entrenched trying to defend their turf. It's no different than saying the E-class is a rebadged Chrysler 300. |
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Replying to: 500lbman (Sep 13, 2007 11:39 am) Well, so long as you pay no attention to which pair of wheels drives the car, or what the fore/aft weight distribution on said wheels is, or any of a number of other things, you're exactly 100% correct. If you do, you're not. Say after me: "RWD is different from FWD." I knew you could.
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I have become smitten with the XJ as I find it an interesting departure from my current LS430. I've narrowed the field down to the Jag, the 7 series or if I want to go sport, the BMW 535. I'm am a little unsure of the Jag, never having owned one before. I drive about 15K per year for work and do need reliable comfortable transportation so it won't be a garage queen. Any experience with it? By the way, I recently tested the LS460 and the MB S 550 back to back for about 20-30 minutes each. The MB is a heavier car with a very smooth ride. The LS feels lighter in every way but is also smooth and quiet. I know that MB had some quality issues with the last S Class but I prefer the way it drove over the new one. This one felt a bit ponderous to me but it does exude class and quality. The interior is of a very high quality but in a "serious" almost austere way. I'm sure it will last forever. The LS460 is a half notch up in all departments from my LS 430 but to me it is very much the "same" car from a driving perspective. The salesman must have said ten times that "it's a completely different car in every way than the LS 430". They must be trained in that "mantra". Maybe because the average guy who has been used to leasing LS's for 800-900 per month for the last 10 years is suddenly faced with a 1250-1300 per month car. Yikes! And guys, it really feels very similar, not that it's a bad thing. |
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| Here's the link: touringchef, "Audi A8: Prices Paid & Buying Experience" #55, 16 Sep 2007 10:15 am. | |
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Replying to: cdnpinhead (Sep 13, 2007 2:57 pm) You forgot to mention the Maxima is also the most singularly fugly car on the road today. I had an '02 6-speed, but they lost me on buying a new one when they came out with the new styling and CVT. I love the Infiniti M-series... M45 in particular.
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Replying to: stkntraffic (Sep 20, 2007 5:58 pm) I agree, although the Maxima really lost its way years earlier when they went to a beam axle for the sake of rear seat room. So much for the "four door sports car".
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A reporter from a national newspaper is hoping to talk to consumers who have been shopping for a European vehicle (BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Volkswagen, Audi or others) and have found them to be more expensive because of the Euro exchange rates. Please reply to ctalati edmunds.com no later than Monday, October 1, 2007 with your daytime contact info.
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In CR's latest reliability ratings Mercedes Benz has plummeted to the bottom. The only Mercedes with an above average rating is the lowly C class. That means their luxury cars are really, really unreliable. As a result their sales have suffered. I am surprised that they sell anything above the C class. This is unacceptable and inexcusable for an auto maker that was once known for good build quality and reliability. My take is that they are desperately trying to hold onto their profit margins by scrimping on quality. In their frantic efforts to compete with Lexus they have, indeed, thrown the baby out with the bath water!
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Replying to: houdini1 (Oct 16, 2007 2:18 pm)
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