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Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
Jul 21, 2007 (10:15 am)
I am mid-30s, used to be a software company executive, now am an attorney. Looking to get a nice 5-6 year old luxury car to put in the stable for the singlular purpose of carrying clients to dinner or golf, and 5-6 long road trips to visit clients. Price range: 18-22k. The car will need to be in service for about 4 years before replacement. I am currently looking at 2001 BMW 740IL, 2002 MBZ E55 AMG, and 2001-02 MBZ S430. I have ruled out Jags. Do you have a preference for a car in this group and age range with about 60k on the odo? Thanks.
#24553 of 24726 Re: Best Used Car? [copyrightatty]
Jul 21, 2007 (6:04 pm)
Well good luck in your new profession, and odd as it may be, I am using a copyright attorney for a small problem right now....Personally I would think the S430 would have a nice subdued look and work better for your needs....A word of caution though---the repairs could be very expensive on any of them----Also logic would suggest to stay away from any amg, unless you know it`s history......Again `Good Luck` Tony
#24554 of 24726 Re: Best Used Car? [anthonyp]
Jul 21, 2007 (6:30 pm)
You figure the AMGs have been run a little hard? I was afraid of that. I did find a 2002 S430 with only 11,000 miles on it for a reasonable amount, above my budget but who can beat a car that has basically been garaged for 5 years.
#24555 of 24726 Re: Best Used Car? [copyrightatty]
Jul 22, 2007 (6:23 pm)
Get it checked out---then that sounds like a good operatunity....I noticed you had a suv....so this could just be the special car for special events...Of course I bet the clients you get or have really want you for your knowledge--so enjoy the car, as you will speak for yourself Tony
#24556 of 24726 Re: Best Used Car? [copyrightatty]
Jul 23, 2007 (12:44 pm)
I would definitely avoid the E55 AMG. First of all you don't need that kind of performance for your intended use (unless you want to scare your clients in signing with you, LOL!). Plus the repairs and maintainence on that will likely be big bucks.
I noticed that neither a Lexus LS430 nor an Infiniti Q45 are not on your list. For your intended use I think these would be perfect. They are luxury cars, low maintainence, and least likely to breakdown with your clients in the car!
Let us know what you settle on.
#24557 of 24726 Re: Best Used Car? [knowspinzone]
Sep 13, 2007 (11:39 am)
I sell M-B's for a living. I would say avoid the '01-'02 S-Class. It has been a dog of a vehicle, as well as the '00-'03 E-Class. The new cars are MUCH better in the reliability and performance departments. The new S-class is a dream car! The '07 E-Class is a wonderful car that will be reliable for years to come. M-B has done a lot to combat the "not reliable" reputation of the brand. As a used car, the only Lexus I would even consider is the LS430. It is a quiet car with lots of space and would be great for carrying clients or going on trips. The ES and GS are rebadged Toyotas. Lexus makes a good car, quiet and comfortable and affordable. However, the new S-class STOMPS the new LS460L. Lexus is very good at loading their cars with features to combat other car makers, but the drive of a Lexus cannot compare to the drive of a M-B.
I would not even consider an Infiniti. We get them in all the time as preowned cars and I think they are cheap and plasticky, and the interiors wear down faster than other cars. There is no reason to consider the M35 unless you just want a luxury badge. The Nissan Maxima is the same car.
Anyway, if you want a good pre-owned car for your needs, I would say Lexus LS430. If you are willing to step up a little go for the newer M-B's, they are great cars.
Sep 13, 2007 (2:19 pm)
I sold and managed at a Toyota store for over twenty years, things changed at the old place and I now sell Lexus. Only because I am very familiar with both lines I got to respond to your post and take issue with you.
Your comments ---
"As a used car, the only Lexus I would even consider is the LS430. It is a quiet car with lots of space and would be great for carrying clients or going on trips. The ES and GS are rebadged Toyotas. Lexus makes a good car, quiet and comfortable and affordable. However, the new S-class STOMPS the new LS460L. Lexus is very good at loading their cars with features to combat other car makers, but the drive of a Lexus cannot compare to the drive of a M-B."
are very misleading, you either have been sniffing the tailpipes for too long around the dealership or believe all the horse hockey that the Mercedes Corporate Propaganda Machine has been feeding you.
While there are many similarities between the Camry V6 XLE and the Lexus ES in terms of platform, performance and features the cars are not "rebadged" Toyotas.
The majority of Camry's are built in the United States, all Lexus except for the RX which is assembled in Canada are built in Japan. The fit and finish of the Lexus meets a higher standard, the overall noise, vibration and harshness of ride is less, the warranties are longer, servicing is called for at much less frequent intervals, Lexus retains a greater portion of it's value at resale and a Lexus demo is provided free of charge for all service.
There is no car in the Toyota selection that shares the Lexus GS all wheel drive performance or available V8 engine. It can hardly be called a rebadged Toyota.
Obviously you've been standing outside in the sun for too long without a hat and are beginning to see things if you really believe that the new S class stomps the LS 460L or LS 460
The new LS series has an 8 speed transmission - MB only 7, the car retails for $15K less, produces 380 HP from a 4.6L engine as opposed to 382 HP from a 5.5L, has more interior space and more trunk space, I believe in many respects that the Lexus is a superior car, I hardly think that the S class stomps the LS.
Even the 12 cylinder S600 takes second place to the LS 600h, the hybrid motor smokes the S600, has a faster 0 to 60, offers more interior space, has a longer warranty and retails for about $25K less.
Mercedes enjoyed a reputation for years as building the best large luxury sedans in the market, with the introduction of the new LS series Lexus has climbed on top of the pedestal, you just can't beat the Japanese for innovation and quality.
#24559 of 24726 Re: Best Used Car? [500lbman]
Sep 13, 2007 (2:34 pm)
There is no reason to consider the M35 unless you just want a luxury badge. The Nissan Maxima is the same car.
Actually, having driven every single one of the mid-lux cars currently on sale, I can say that the Infiniti M easily ranks among the best. It thoroughly trounces the RL and the GS, and it beats the rapidly aging E-class, both in performance and technology. It takes a BMW 5 to outperform the M.
The "they are a rebadged Toyota\Nissan" is a tired, stale and cheap argument from the entrenched trying to defend their turf. It's no different than saying the E-class is a rebadged Chrysler 300.
#24560 of 24726 Re: Best Used Car? [500lbman]
Sep 13, 2007 (2:57 pm)
". . .no reason to consider the M35 unless you just want a luxury badge. The Nissan Maxima is the same car."
Well, so long as you pay no attention to which pair of wheels drives the car, or what the fore/aft weight distribution on said wheels is, or any of a number of other things, you're exactly 100% correct.
If you do, you're not. Say after me: "RWD is different from FWD."
I knew you could.