High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens

What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

Outline

Messages Page 2448 of 2471: 1; ...; 2445; 2446; 2447; 2448; 2449; 2450; 2451; ...; 2471; Prev; Next; Last

#24468 of 24700 Re: Lexus is going to need to rethink their Hybrid strategy [drfill] by tagman Apr 20, 2007 (3:02 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Apr 20, 2007 1:32 pm) Good post, Doc. TagMan
#24469 of 24700 Re: Lexus is going to need to rethink their Hybrid strategy [drfill] by brightness04 Apr 20, 2007 (3:33 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Apr 20, 2007 1:32 pm) Doc, you took my words right out of my mouth On a second thought however, I can't help realizing that Lexus is becoming a victim of its own earlier marketting success with the economy hybrids. If we think about it, the V12 HELC's are not exactly quicker than their V8 brethrens. The quickest HELC's are the turbo V8's. The economy of the V12's are certainly worse than their V8 stablemates. How to sell that point, however, is a tough marketting challenge.
#24470 of 24700 I think a Hybrid pack weighs more than a turbocharger by drfill Apr 20, 2007 (3:50 pm)
Oddly, Toyota has a wonderful history with the turbocharger, with Toyota Supra, MR2, and Celice All-Trac, and the Germans seem eager to bring Sexy back, if you will. If I were "In House", I'd offer for Toyota to also go old school, and use Turbos for HP, and Hybrids for economy only. A Hybrid isn't going to help 4500 lb sedans without sacrificing something. At these prices, you lose the ability to sacrifice. Lexus isn't perfect. But the pursuit continues! DrFill Replies to this message: tagman (Apr 20, 2007 4:09 pm) brightness04 (Apr 20, 2007 5:26 pm) tagman (Apr 20, 2007 6:14 pm) and 1 more...
#24472 of 24700 Re: I think a Hybrid pack weighs more than a turbocharger [drfill] by tagman Apr 20, 2007 (4:09 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Apr 20, 2007 3:50 pm) Doc, you hit on one of the reasons I encouraged Ljflx to forget about that LS600hL, and get the LS460L. I was so glad when he did that. A review of posting history verifies that entire exchange. And now we have cyclone4 about to spend big bucks on the LS600hL. He's already listed his reasons, and while I hardly see the merit of such a decision, I can't argue with his personal preferences... to each his own. Turbos and superchargers are reasonable ways to add power. Hybrids may offer power, but at a self-defeating price and penalty. I think hybrids should be used to save fuel, whether married to a gas ICE or married to a diesel or even married to a turbo-diesel. Next year's diesels will prove to be the real headlines, anyway. TagMan Replies to this message: brightness04 (Apr 20, 2007 5:26 pm) tagman (Apr 20, 2007 6:14 pm) brightness04 (Apr 20, 2007 6:38 pm)