High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#24426 of 24700 Re: If you look at the vehicles with fold-flat 3rd rows, [cdnpinhead] by brightness04 Apr 08, 2007 (2:34 pm)
Replying to: cdnpinhead (Apr 07, 2007 1:22 pm) No one really _need_ a car that is more sporty or more luxurious than a Civic or Accord. People want cars that are more sporty and more luxurious, even if most of the time it's just a car sitting in jammed traffic. That's plenty good enough reason to get a car that the person _wants_ instead what the person _needs_. Subaru's were pretty small in cargo capacity until the Subaru SUV came around. Audi A4 wagons were tiny for the price they charged, and A6 for a long term were woefully underpowerd with the 2.8L trying to move a 4000lb car. Ground clearance is very important after heavy snow. Low riding AWD vehicles designed for "sportiness" is much more of a "want" than a "need" than AWD SUV's. The truth of the matter is that cars used to be the height of today's cross-overs until GM pushed the longer-wider-lower design philosophy in the late 1950's, as an image thing. All those low-riding sportscars or sporty looking aspects of cars are products of "desire"/"want" not "need." It took 40 years for the detour to come back around to what are essentially the most versatile vehicles: a two-box crossover with seat bottom at the level of an average person's butt . . . the size and shape of the original station wagons of the 1920's through early 50's . . . in the lingo's of the 90's, it would have been called an "SUV," before the term cross-over came around. Frankly, those original station wagons were SUV's because they had ladder frames. Replies to this message: cdnpinhead (Apr 09, 2007 5:08 am) houdini1 (Apr 09, 2007 5:25 am)
#24427 of 24700 Re: If you look at the vehicles with fold-flat 3rd rows, [brightness04] by cdnpinhead Apr 09, 2007 (5:08 am)
Replying to: brightness04 (Apr 08, 2007 2:34 pm) Fair enough. I was railing against what appears to me to be yet another triumph of marketing over common sense. Yeah, I know -- what's new? I maintain that either a minivan (some come with AWD) or a Subaru-type station wagon addresses the vast majority of the functions performed by today's SUV's. High clearance, towing anything that weighs over 2000 pounds, true 4WD w/ LSD &/or lockers -- sure, that's SUV territory. Replies to this message: houdini1 (Apr 09, 2007 5:25 am)
#24428 of 24700 Re: If you look at the vehicles with fold-flat 3rd rows, [cdnpinhead] by houdini1 Apr 09, 2007 (5:25 am)
Replying to: cdnpinhead (Apr 09, 2007 5:08 am) Yes, and you could also maintain that a Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla addresses the vast majority of our basic transportation needs. However, it appears that our relationships with our cars are just not that simple!
#24429 of 24700 The VERY HOT Audi RS8 by dewey Apr 09, 2007 (6:31 pm)
Here's a good front profile picture of the upcoming Audi RS8 during a Nürburgring test: If you cant see the RS8 too well that is because it got burnt by a oil or gasoline leak. Since this Audu RS8 was not owned by a Consumers' Report subscribler I think their positive CR ratings will remain intact for now. link title
#24430 of 24700 WWJHD? Benz CL600 by elias Apr 15, 2007 (12:50 pm)
Friday night post-red-sox-game, my cuz and I were SUV-ing next to the team owner John Henry - stopped in a traffic jam for a while. So now we know that John Henry drives: a 2007 CL600. n i c e .
#24431 of 24700 You know, uh.... by drfill Apr 16, 2007 (9:02 am)
Mercedes didn't widely release their sales numbers for March. Why? Beside the S-Class taking a Lexus-induced tumble, it was a strong month! http://prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/04-03-2007/00- 04559001&EDATE= DrFill Replies to this message: lexusguy (Apr 16, 2007 11:24 am) blkhemi (Apr 16, 2007 1:50 pm) lexusguy (Apr 16, 2007 3:19 pm)
#24432 of 24700 Re: You know, uh.... [drfill] by lexusguy Apr 16, 2007 (11:24 am)
Replying to: drfill (Apr 16, 2007 9:02 am) Beside the S-Class taking a Lexus-induced tumble, it was a strong month! It's amazing how the E-class always seems to maintain its sales, no matter how old it gets. Replies to this message: blkhemi (Apr 16, 2007 1:50 pm) lexusguy (Apr 16, 2007 3:19 pm)
#24433 of 24700 Re: You know, uh.... [lexusguy] by blkhemi Apr 16, 2007 (1:50 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 16, 2007 11:24 am) Hate or love it, the E-Class is definetely the mover and the shaker in this class. The GS, 5, M, and to a lesser extent the A6 can forget about it. From the bargain basement 50k E350 all the way up to the pavement-rippling 90k E63, it has it all. It's still the only one with a diesel stateside also, which coincidentally boosted sales even higher. But did you check the numbers for the G-Wagon? A 300%+ increase? Did I miss something? From 70 something vehicles to over 300 is no easy feat, especially something with the aerodynamics of a 2-story barn, a design as old as grandma, and price tag that gives heart flutters for fun. Good going. BTW: How's the Jag? I haven't been able to drive the XKR for a while because of this crazy weather. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Apr 16, 2007 3:19 pm)
#24434 of 24700 Re: You know, uh.... [blkhemi] by lexusguy Apr 16, 2007 (3:19 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (Apr 16, 2007 1:50 pm) BTW: How's the Jag? I haven't been able to drive the XKR for a while because of this crazy weather. Great. We've been having some problems with throttle lag on the X3 and its already been to the dealer twice (with no fix yet) for it, but the Jag has been absolutely perfect, and its still a blast to drive.
#24435 of 24700 The E-Class is the leader by drfill Apr 16, 2007 (6:30 pm)
And is a studly ride. But it also has as much to do with the C-Class being.......less than studly. It's kinda small and sickly. The C-Class' loss is the E-Class' gain. DrFill Replies to this message: lexusguy (Apr 16, 2007 8:45 pm) tagman (Apr 16, 2007 10:15 pm)