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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: If you look at the vehicles with fold-flat 3rd rows, [tagman] by blkhemi
Apr 06, 2007 (4:10 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Apr 06, 2007 1:41 pm)

Tag, I agree with most of your choices.
 
But after a drive of the new Saturn OUTLOOK, I'm convinced that it has taken number one in it's class.
 
Sure it is weighty, but the smooth ride and competent handling makes up for that. But the others are good choices.
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Re: If you look at the vehicles with fold-flat 3rd rows, [tagman] by brightness04
Apr 06, 2007 (5:13 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Apr 06, 2007 1:41 pm)

IMHO, the Pilot/MDX twins are great on paper, and they have pulled a real magic hat trick in packing that much passenger and cargo space into that little vehicle length. The problem shows up on a test-drive: it drives like a ponderous truck with ladder frame. No idea why, and this is coming from someone, yours truley, who normally don't care much about handling. Otherwise, I would have picked up a Pilot or MDX three years ago before settling for the Highlander.
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Re: Lexus gets it right [lexusguy] by brightness04
Apr 06, 2007 (5:15 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 05, 2007 11:40 pm)

Did anyone notice, the new LX is classified as midsize SUV now. Is that a typo? What's thereal size of this new beastie? I can't find any spec anywhere.
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Re: If you look at the vehicles with fold-flat 3rd rows, [brightness04] by tagman
Apr 06, 2007 (6:32 pm)
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Replying to: brightness04 (Apr 06, 2007 5:13 pm)

The problem shows up on a test-drive: it drives like a ponderous truck with ladder frame.
 
The Pilot and MDX do not drive anything alike, as you would have expected them to, perhaps. I know first hand. Last Christmas, I bought my wife a Pilot and it didn't last but a few weeks before I had to trade it in on the MDX which she has liked ever since. Not to say the Pilot was bad. It wasn't bad. It was pretty darned good in fact. But the Acura MDX is truly smoother and quieter and has all the latest bells and whistles... you know Bluetooth, voice-command navigation, DVD rear-entertainment, and auto-everything. They definately put more sound-deadening material in the Acura than in the Honda. The all new MDX is even better than the previous one. In fact, you should read the reviews. The "Super-Handling All-Wheel Drive", or whatever they call it, is supposedly nothing short of amazing. I want to try it for myself, because I remember one of the very first reviews said that "Driving the '08 MDX is as though the hand of God is holding the vehicle to the road". Now THAT is quite a testimonial for a good handling vehicle, my friend.
 
TagMan
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Can we get back on the real topic here please! by drfill
Apr 06, 2007 (6:34 pm)
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   I've got a serious problem!!
 
   For the Mets to go to Atlanta, in their home opener, and just whup that A$# by 10 runs, people are booin', throwin' stuff on the field in anger, the worst beating in Franchise history for a Home Opener.....that ain't right!
 
   That ain't right!
 
   DrFill
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Re: If you look at the vehicles with fold-flat 3rd rows, [tagman] by brightness04
Apr 06, 2007 (9:11 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Apr 06, 2007 6:32 pm)

one of the very first reviews said that "Driving the '08 MDX is as though the hand of God is holding the vehicle to the road"
 
Call me cynical, but that's a classic cop-out line when the scribe has nothing good to say. "The hand of God" holds the vehicle to the road _via gravity_, just like it holds a UPS delivery truck to the road. It reminds me of the joke about the 2.8 MB V6, when it was introduced, was proclaimed the best V6 from MB . . . well, dah, it was the only V6 from MB at the time. While I have not tried the new MDX first-hand yet, the previous-generation MDX drove very "ponderously."
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Re: If you look at the vehicles with fold-flat 3rd rows, [brightness04] by lexusguy
Apr 07, 2007 (2:16 am)
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Replying to: brightness04 (Apr 06, 2007 9:11 pm)

While I have not tried the new MDX first-hand yet, the previous-generation MDX drove very "ponderously."
 
Well if you buy any SUV for driving dynamics you're an idiot, but I still say the Infiniti FX is "the best of the worst" as it were, with perhaps the X5 as number two. The Cayenne didn't do anything for me, sure if you stuff enough V8 in the front its fast, but the Porsche of SUVs? If it didn't have all that off-road gear perhaps it could've been, but what on earth would Cayenne owners do if they couldn't take their babies rock crawling? It will be interesting to see if sales pick up post-refresh after they dropped off the face of the earth last year.
 
The RR is by far the most attractive full size lux-ute, but its also the one I'm least likely to buy. A friend had his out of commission sitting at the dealer for a month. No thanks.
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Re: Lexus gets it right [brightness04] by syswei
Apr 07, 2007 (3:19 am)
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Replying to: brightness04 (Apr 06, 2007 5:15 pm)

Did anyone notice, the new LX is classified as midsize SUV now. Is that a typo? What's thereal size of this new beastie? I can't find any spec anywhere.
 
The LX570 is larger in every dimension than the 470...something like 4 inches longer, 1 inch wider, 1.5 taller. "Midsize" has to be somebody's mistake.
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Re: If you look at the vehicles with fold-flat 3rd rows, [lexusguy] by dewey
Apr 07, 2007 (11:10 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 07, 2007 2:16 am)

Well if you buy any SUV for driving dynamics you're an idiot
 
So who is the idiot that made up the acronym "SUV". Why should such an acronym include the initial "S' for sport then?
If I want a good heavy duty UV for some serious offroading I will stick to the durable trucks made by GM or Ford.
 
If I want luxury I will stick to one of those oversized bulbous sedans that are the topic of our forum here. If I want driving dynamics I will seek the sportiest car that will suit my practical needs.(in my case practicality excludes roadsters).
 
The Cayenne didn't do anything for me, sure if you stuff enough V8 in the front its fast, but the Porsche of SUVs?
 
Did nothing for me too not even a V8 version. IMO this vehicle is not worthy of a Porsche logo. A few decades ago a Porsche 928 was considered taboo by many fans. It amazes me how complacent Porsche fans are today with that monstorisity called the Cayenne?
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Re: If you look at the vehicles with fold-flat 3rd rows, [dewey] by lexusguy
Apr 07, 2007 (11:25 am)
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Replying to: dewey (Apr 07, 2007 11:10 am)

So who is the genius that made up the acronym "SUV". Why should such an acronym include the initial "S' for sport then?
 
Good question, especially considering that beginnings of the SUV were the absolute least sporty of the genre. I suppose its no worse than GM calling their last gasps at the minivan market "crossover sport vans".

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