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24696 messages, Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 10:43 AM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 05, 2007 11:40 pm) Thanks for the pic. It looks good to me also, at least from the photo. The ONLY thing that kept my wife form owning the LX470 was those Mickey Mouse flip-flop third-row seats. If they got them to fold flat this time, I'll look at the new LX570. BUT... A BLUETEC DIESEL GL (the '08 VISION model) does seem more compelling at this point. TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Apr 06, 2007 6:34 am) I can't understand why they can't redesign the suspension somehow to make 'em fold flat like other SUV makers have been able to do. Funny you mentioned the "mickey mouse ears" thing -- that's EXACTLY what I thought of the 470's third row set up. Here are some more pics from every angle.... http://www.autoblog.com/photos/lexus-lx570/
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Replying to: gteach26 (Apr 06, 2007 7:56 am) I can't understand why they can't redesign the suspension somehow to make 'em fold flat like other SUV makers have been able to do. My best guess is that this new LX570 is not based on the Toyota Land Cruiser. My best guess at this point is that the new Land Cruiser and this LX570 are both based on the freakin SEQUOIA! And that would explain why the LX570 LOOKS like a dressed up Sequoia, and why the seats still don't fold flat. The motorized assistance for those seats, however is a BIG plus, IMO, and for the most part makes them functional. So, I must give credit to TMC for at least realizing that they were a pain in the ass to deal with manually. That is definately a good move. The interior shots look terrific, IMO, as I mentioned to LG. But that exterior... well, let's just say that it's an improvement over the last generation, and it looks OK, but nothing to get too excited about. Overall, it appears to be an improvement inside and out, from what I can tell from the photo gallery. So... I would expect it to be a success story. The LS600hL's powertrain would be a good thing for this SUV, IMO, and it wouldn't surprise me to see an LX600h in the near future. That would almost be a necessity to compete with the Mercedes BlueTec Vision GL which will feature a monster-sized diesel. BTW, the GL has motorized third-row seats that fold flat, as they should. The Mercedes BlueTec Vision GL is the one I'm watching out for. I expect to leave a deposit at the Mercedes dealership for one in the near future, as I think they will sell out quickly. Thanks for the link! TagMan
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| I believe the reason that it doesn't fold into the floor is that doing so would require a change to a rear independent suspension, which in Toyota/Lexus' view would compromise the off-road-worthiness of the vehicle. | |
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VERY few have a real rear end frame, most are unibody type designs. Tahoe has similar issues, I believe. Power 2nd and 3rd row seats should placate the masses. Comparing an Expedition to a Lexus/Land Cruiser is......something. Having sold an Expedition or two, you get what you pay for.  DrFill
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Replying to: tagman (Apr 06, 2007 8:35 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Apr 06, 2007 12:47 pm) TagMan |
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Replying to: drfill (Apr 06, 2007 9:03 am) The Tahoe's, Yukon Denali's, and Escalade's of the world have the same third row set up where they don't fold flat. Also, of course it's not fair to compare a 70K LX to a 35K Expedition -- different leagues. It's just that every time I splurge on a high-end truck or car I feel sorta guilty -- I could have bought a more "reasonable alternative" and used those extra funds for more charitable pursuits besides myself. I wonder if anyone else in here feels the same twinge of guilt when plopping 60K plus on a HELC. Perhaps I just need a good therapist....
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Replying to: gteach26 (Apr 06, 2007 12:58 pm) The EX, or XL (Suburban) sized models don't need to fold flat. They essentially don't have to switch back and forth between third row and/or cargo space. They've got BOTH. I had a Denali XL for a while, until I just plain couldn't stand the unbelievable amount of service issues, and most of the time we kept all three rows of seats up and still had tons of cargo space. When the more typical-sized SUV has to fold the third row to gain cargo area, it should at least be easy and functional, IMO. The best SUV at a bargain price, IMO, is still the Honda Pilot. The best mid-priced SUV is the Acura MDX. The best high-end SUV at any price... well, that would create some debate here.... between Range Rover, Mercedes GL, Audi Q7, BMW X5, Escalade, and Lexus LX. My personal pick is the Range Rover for 5 passengers, and the Mercedes GL for 7 passengers. Somehow, as much as I love Porsche, I can't seem to warm up to the Cayenne. TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Apr 06, 2007 1:41 pm) As far as the HELC-type SUV's -- I would lean towards the GL and LX. Wife's got the new ML (the GL's smaller sibling)and we love it. The Porsche SUV just looks strange to me. Land Rover -- that's a question mark. I've sat in them a couple of times and the interior seems a little flimsy. Anecdotal evidence around here suggests that it is not very reliable, either. |
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