High End Luxury Cars

24685 messages, Last post on Nov 02, 2009 at 4:40 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#24398 of 24685 Re: Same thing [drfill] by tagman Apr 05, 2007 (8:47 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Apr 05, 2007 8:32 pm) Personally, I think we're at the end of the gas ICE HP war. Only technology, such as hybrid, will add power to the gas ICE, but it is early to see what will happen with the diesels when they jump in soon. Dewey reports that there will already be twin turbos added to the BMW diesel, and this is just the beginning. Due to the diesel's massive torque, it will be new territory to see what happens. I really do think that "efficiency" will be a key part of the equation in the near future. "Efficiency" as it relates to power and to fuel consumption. TagMan
#24399 of 24685 Lexus gets it right by lexusguy Apr 05, 2007 (11:40 pm)
I'm very impressed with the interior of the new LX, I think its now best in class. Certainly far superior to the GL at least. Replies to this message: gteach26 (Apr 06, 2007 6:07 am) tagman (Apr 06, 2007 6:34 am) gteach26 (Apr 06, 2007 7:56 am) tagman (Apr 06, 2007 8:35 am) and 2 more... brightness04 (Apr 06, 2007 5:15 pm) syswei (Apr 07, 2007 3:19 am) houdini1 (Apr 08, 2007 5:34 am)
#24400 of 24685 Re: Lexus gets it right [lexusguy] by gteach26 Apr 06, 2007 (6:07 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 05, 2007 11:40 pm) Ditto... great looking interior. The outside of this 70K beast is pretty nice too. This trucks's just what I was looking for.. an LS460 on stilts. Now I need to work on justifying spending the extra $$ when a Ford Expedition gives me more room and a better third row at a 40% price cut.... I'm sure I can convince myself it's worth it after a test drive!!! Those lexus vehicles are down right intoxicating.
#24401 of 24685 Re: D-man [drfill] by designman Apr 06, 2007 (6:12 am)
Replying to: drfill (Apr 05, 2007 7:24 pm) The Cardinals got SOOO lucky last year that Pedro and El Duque got hurt just before the NLCS. IIRC it wasn't the pitching but hitting that let them down. They had their chances.
#24402 of 24685 Re: One More Ting! [tagman] by designman Apr 06, 2007 (6:16 am)
Replying to: tagman (Apr 05, 2007 7:31 pm) Do you remember last season's demonstration by the Mets, in the championship series, of some of the worst sportsmanship baseball has ever seen! ???? I'm drawing a blank. Refresh my memory. Maybe it wasn't flagrant enough for a New Yorker to notice? (Actually I am very keen on sportsmanship issues and CAN'T STAND the end zone tango and such.)
#24403 of 24685 Re: Lexus gets it right [lexusguy] by tagman Apr 06, 2007 (6:34 am)
Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 05, 2007 11:40 pm) Lexusguy, Thanks for the pic. It looks good to me also, at least from the photo. The ONLY thing that kept my wife form owning the LX470 was those Mickey Mouse flip-flop third-row seats. If they got them to fold flat this time, I'll look at the new LX570. BUT... A BLUETEC DIESEL GL (the '08 VISION model) does seem more compelling at this point. TagMan Replies to this message: gteach26 (Apr 06, 2007 7:56 am) tagman (Apr 06, 2007 8:35 am) houdini1 (Apr 06, 2007 12:47 pm) and 1 more...
#24404 of 24685 Re: Lexus gets it right [tagman] by gteach26 Apr 06, 2007 (7:56 am)
Replying to: tagman (Apr 06, 2007 6:34 am) The seats don't fold flat -- even on this new version. The design seems to have been improved through. The seats fold up electronically and are locked in position on the sides -- they almost seem like part of the sides of the truck when folded up-- very unobtrusive, but still not completely hidden for 100% cargo usage. I can't understand why they can't redesign the suspension somehow to make 'em fold flat like other SUV makers have been able to do. Funny you mentioned the "mickey mouse ears" thing -- that's EXACTLY what I thought of the 470's third row set up. Here are some more pics from every angle.... http://www.autoblog.com/photos/lexus-lx570/ Replies to this message: tagman (Apr 06, 2007 8:35 am) houdini1 (Apr 06, 2007 12:47 pm) tagman (Apr 06, 2007 12:52 pm)
#24405 of 24685 Re: Lexus gets it right [gteach26] by tagman Apr 06, 2007 (8:35 am)
Replying to: gteach26 (Apr 06, 2007 7:56 am) The seats don't fold flat -- even on this new version. The design seems to have been improved through. The seats fold up electronically and are locked in position on the sides -- they almost seem like part of the sides of the truck when folded up-- very unobtrusive, but still not completely hidden for 100% cargo usage. I can't understand why they can't redesign the suspension somehow to make 'em fold flat like other SUV makers have been able to do. My best guess is that this new LX570 is not based on the Toyota Land Cruiser. My best guess at this point is that the new Land Cruiser and this LX570 are both based on the freakin SEQUOIA! And that would explain why the LX570 LOOKS like a dressed up Sequoia, and why the seats still don't fold flat. The motorized assistance for those seats, however is a BIG plus, IMO, and for the most part makes them functional. So, I must give credit to TMC for at least realizing that they were a pain in the ass to deal with manually. That is definately a good move. The interior shots look terrific, IMO, as I mentioned to LG. But that exterior... well, let's just say that it's an improvement over the last generation, and it looks OK, but nothing to get too excited about. Overall, it appears to be an improvement inside and out, from what I can tell from the photo gallery. So... I would expect it to be a success story. The LS600hL's powertrain would be a good thing for this SUV, IMO, and it wouldn't surprise me to see an LX600h in the near future. That would almost be a necessity to compete with the Mercedes BlueTec Vision GL which will feature a monster-sized diesel. BTW, the GL has motorized third-row seats that fold flat, as they should. The Mercedes BlueTec Vision GL is the one I'm watching out for. I expect to leave a deposit at the Mercedes dealership for one in the near future, as I think they will sell out quickly. Thanks for the link! TagMan Replies to this message: houdini1 (Apr 06, 2007 12:47 pm) tagman (Apr 06, 2007 12:52 pm)
#24406 of 24685 LX570 third row by syswei Apr 06, 2007 (8:40 am)
I believe the reason that it doesn't fold into the floor is that doing so would require a change to a rear independent suspension, which in Toyota/Lexus' view would compromise the off-road-worthiness of the vehicle.
#24407 of 24685 If you look at the vehicles with fold-flat 3rd rows, by drfill Apr 06, 2007 (9:03 am)
VERY few have a real rear end frame, most are unibody type designs. Tahoe has similar issues, I believe. Power 2nd and 3rd row seats should placate the masses. Comparing an Expedition to a Lexus/Land Cruiser is......something. Having sold an Expedition or two, you get what you pay for. DrFill Replies to this message: gteach26 (Apr 06, 2007 12:58 pm) tagman (Apr 06, 2007 1:41 pm) gteach26 (Apr 06, 2007 2:06 pm) blkhemi (Apr 06, 2007 4:10 pm) brightness04 (Apr 06, 2007 5:13 pm) and 49 more...