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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: Please [brightness04] by houdini1
Mar 08, 2007 (6:19 am)
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Replying to: brightness04 (Mar 07, 2007 11:48 pm)

Maybe where you live has something to do with whether or not handling on a luxury car is the dominant factor.
 
There are very few twisty mountain roads in the Kansas City area. Virtually 100% of my driving consists of 35 mph suburban driving, bumper to bumper freeway driving, or 75 mph freeway driving. Mostly all in a fairly straignt line. Hair trigger steering and twitchiness and even manual transmissions are not condusive to this type of driving. Quiet, comfortable serenity is.
 
I have had to resign myself to finding excitement and thrills in other venues.
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More Excitement And Thrills From BMW by hpowders
Mar 08, 2007 (6:28 am)
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Reuters-9:05AM ET: "BMW, the world's largest premium carmaker, is raising its dividend by more than 9% after record 2006 earnings."
"The past year has been the best financial year so far in the company's history," CE Norbert Reithofer said. "
 
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Re: Please [houdini1] by brightness04
Mar 08, 2007 (10:31 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Mar 08, 2007 6:19 am)

Very good point. Handling is of paramount importance to some drivers, sometimes, not all drivers at all times. When I shop for a roadster, luxury compact (e.g. M3) or convertible, handling is very high on the priority list. On the other hand, handling is way down the list of priorities when I shop for HELC, minivans and trucks. If someone puts handling as #1 priority, a 5 series with identical V8 beats the 7 series any time of the day; a car on a 3 or A4 series platform would handle even better.
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Re: More Excitement And Thrills From BMW [hpowders] by brightness04
Mar 08, 2007 (10:33 am)
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Replying to: hpowders (Mar 08, 2007 6:28 am)

Short-term profitability is easy to manage when a company crimps on R&D, and inflate sales with fictitious transaction prices. The it all comes to a screeching halt one day. Hopefully that's not what's behind BMW's numbers, although the major German financial institutions are getting suspicious of BMW is doing.
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Re: Please [brightness04] by tagman
Mar 08, 2007 (10:48 am)
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Replying to: brightness04 (Mar 07, 2007 11:48 pm)

So did you end up buying the S550? Nope.
 
We don't need another HELC in our garage. But, if the purchase of a HELC was mine to make at this time, I would definately base my decision on handling as one of the more important criteria. Many others feel the same way, and determine for themsleves which HELC has the type of handling that they prefer.
 
My wife, however, does not care as much about the handling of a car as she does the style and appearance. While not my first priority, I will admit that style and appearance are important to me also.
 
There is no "handling" in "High End Luxury Car"; the word "Luxury" however is there as the defining quality.
 
The words "braking" or "steering" or "powertrain" are not there either, but they are inherit characteristics of any vehicle, and they do not need to be included in the definition.
 
Handling is an important inherent characteristic of every car at every price. Who doesn't know that?
 
TagMan
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Re: WOW [blkhemi] by dewey
Mar 08, 2007 (11:34 am)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Mar 07, 2007 5:11 pm)

Sorry Blkhemi,
 
no offense intended. I thought I redeemed myself from that Audi comment with the post I made after:
 
I am not trying to diss the Audi brand. I myself and the Audi drivers I know yearn to buy another Audi. Also BMW, MB and Porsche are not renowned for reliability.
 

 
Audi shot up 15 spots according to the CR results. My point is who the hell cares? I mean the fact that a car brand can jump within one year without radical changes in their product-line indicates how useless those CR measures are.
 
Hold the confetti for Audi and save it for another occasion. Those CR results are just not worth any euphoria IMO.
 
And yes I repeat Audi, BMW and MB do not have stellar reliability stats. There is no blunder whatsoever in stating the obvious! But again if I wanted the best reliable car on this planet I would buy a i4 Corolla, Civic or Mazda3. Or even better I would solely drive my 83 MB 300D and not bother with any new cars.
 
And in terms of reliablility and maintenance costs I would definitely avoid the new Lexus LS600Lh. I dread to think of how much such a vehicle would cost to maintain out of warranty.
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Re: More Excitement And Thrills From BMW [hpowders] by dewey
Mar 08, 2007 (11:58 am)
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Replying to: hpowders (Mar 08, 2007 6:28 am)

Howard,
 
now that news is definitely worthy of confetti.
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Re: Please [tagman] by brightness04
Mar 08, 2007 (12:20 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Mar 08, 2007 10:48 am)

Cargo space and seating count are inherent characteristics of every car at every price, too. How many people buying HELC are going to base their decision primarily on cargo space or seat count?
 
For HELC, cargo space, seat count and handling only need to be "adequate," as Rolls-Royce so eloquently described the power output its cars . . . the focus being on luxury and pindrop silence!
 
But, if the purchase of a HELC was mine to make at this time, I would definately base my decision on handling as one of the more important criteria.
 
That's a classic cop-out. MB makes no money from "if's" and "would's." It was a purchase decision for you to make; you made it, and as someone who cares very much about handling, you got something other than HELC. That's my point. It makes no sense to get either S or 7 for someone who makes purchase decision based on handling: 5 series with identical V8 handles much better, not to mention real handlers like 911 for about the same price.
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Re: Please [brightness04] by dewey
Mar 08, 2007 (1:23 pm)
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Replying to: brightness04 (Mar 08, 2007 12:20 pm)

Handling is not important for HELCs?
 
Performance is not important?
 
Seating and cargo is not important?
 
And pindrop silence is?
 
I am thankful that you are here to tell us exactly what a HELC is. Makes me wonder how everyone else in the world can figure out what a HELC is without you

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