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24697 messages, Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
I am surprised that you folks have not commented on the new information that ljflx revealed (LS460 forum) about R & T's admitting that testing of the post production models are much more accurate test results. Based on the fact that C & D tested a pre-production LS460, basically proves that those results were quite erroneous. I would paste his post here but I will not do so without his permission.
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Replying to: cyclone4 (Mar 07, 2007 12:25 pm) |
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Replying to: cyclone4 (Mar 07, 2007 12:25 pm) |
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Replying to: tagman (Mar 07, 2007 9:17 am) Since you brought up Saab, what really scares me is that BMW's turbo-charging gammit is smelling like what Saab did in the 80's: extracting short term profit on existing engine instead of ploughing more money into massive new R&D. It would be a damn shame if BMW becomes non-viable as an independent going concern . . . kinda scary on a day when Dr. Z talks about MB itself potentially becoming a take-over target.
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Replying to: drfill (Mar 07, 2007 12:05 pm) There was definitely change in the wind, in the last couple years, first with the 7 and 5, then even the 3 starting last year. Cars that used to command nearly full MSRP became heavily discounted and subsidized. I have been repeatedly pointing out the unusual lease subsidies that have been happening, signifying underlying weakness. Glad to be vindicated by the late-as-usual professional analysts. Getting eggs in the face is the usual fate of being a prophet. I was talking about eminent homebuilder and lending industry collapse in Spring 2005; people thought I was an idiot at the Memorial Day luncheon that year. Same went with my predictions on the relative market potentials of Wagoner, Ford and Chrysler about a year ago, even as everyone piled on criticizing GM management. The consumer market itself really speaks loud and clear, long before the talking heads get the memo. The BMW dealer offered to do everything possible to make a deal on the last day of the month. . . too bad I injured my hand (in an unrelated accident) shortly after the test drive a couple days before. The guy may not even work there anymore this month. |
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Replying to: brightness04 (Mar 07, 2007 3:28 pm) That really doesn't seem likely. The only engines Saab has ever built that've been world class have gone into the Draken and Gripen. BMW is one of the premier engine builders in the world. In the case of the 335i, rather than let Infiniti and Lexus beat them with the G and IS, they used a turbo. There's no way they could've engineered a new engine with 300+ naturally aspirated hp in time for the '07 MY. Look at how long Audi and Mercedes continued to use their 2.8L and 3.2L engines when the Japanese had far more horsepower from their 6s. BMW is the last one to get lazy when it comes to new engines.
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You guys move fast from subject to subject! Well, I just blew back in from Maine. I've missed a lot to say the least. But the biggest blunder of all has to be Dewey. I never knew you disliked Audi's that much. You're a BMW driver and you want to call Audi's "unreliable"? Well, I just drove the snot out of the S8 without so much as a hiccup. Sorry Dewey that you feel this way, but all of my Audi's have been free of any problems. BTW: the XKR will be here on the 25th. Can't wait.
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Replying to: lexusguy (Mar 07, 2007 4:13 pm) Bimmer has been building the straight-6 motor for decades, yet they've never failed and with proper maintenance, have been known to exceed 200k miles with ease. Just because the Japanese-brand models are coming out with hot V6's doesn't make BMW obsolete, as we all know the 3-Series still holds it own. The 335 makes 300hp even, yet it's 4.75 0-60 makes it faster than the 306hp IS and GS. Only the new 300hp CTS is left to chance it. |
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Replying to: drfill (Mar 07, 2007 12:05 pm) Having trouble moving cars and getting overly-aggressive to generate volume sales are two entirely different things... TagMan
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