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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#24112 of 24723 Re: Lexus vs. BMW [syswei]
Mar 02, 2007 (1:59 pm)
are you sure you are not mistaken? According to Reuters Lexus and BMW sales (excl. Mini) are about equal and even better BMW is growing at a far rapid pace than Lexus.
here are the Feb 2007 BMW US sales figures from Reuters.
Total BMW + Mini Sales = 24642
Total BMW Sales Excluding Mini = 22274
FRANKFURT, March 1 (Reuters) - German carmaker BMW's (BMWG.DE: Quote, Profile , Research) U.S. car sales rose 11.9 percent to 24,642 units in February, the world's biggest premium automaker said on Thursday.
Sales of BMW brand cars and offroaders rose 15.2 percent to 22,274 units powered by the 3 Series coupe and stronger demand for the X5 and X3 sport utility vehicles, while Mini sales fell 12 percent to 2,368 cars.
SOURCE: link title
#24113 of 24723 Re: Predicated Reliability: [reality2]
Mar 02, 2007 (2:07 pm)
Reality I am not trying to diss the Audi brand. I myself and the Audi drivers I know yearn to buy another Audi. Also BMW, MB and Porsche are not renowned for reliability.
What is so praiseworthy about Audi being #12 in the first place? It certainly doesn't mean much if you are Mitsubushi or a Mercury driver. Is reliability so important for luxury cars? Is it mere coincidence that the three top brands for reliabity are non-luxury marques? Apparently people are willing to pay premium luxury prices for cars that are not exactly the most reliable. For proof just take a look at MB's CR rank.
The virtues of owning a luxury German car are many. But I really find it hard to get excited about their subpar CR and JD Power reliability stats.
#24114 of 24723 Re: Lexus vs. BMW [hpowders]
Mar 02, 2007 (2:46 pm)
It's about time that the USA gets in sync with the rest of the world: BMW is indeed number one.
Maybe the USA. But certainly not this forum .
#24115 of 24723 Re: Lexus vs. BMW [dewey]
Mar 02, 2007 (3:17 pm)
You are correct, my mistake. I didn't look at the BMW release closely enough, and was fooled because they broke out SUVs separately.
#24116 of 24723 Re: Lexus vs. BMW [dewey]
Mar 02, 2007 (3:48 pm)
I would rather be right than share a widely held opinion that happens to be wrong!
#24117 of 24723 Re: Predicated Reliability: [dewey]
Mar 02, 2007 (5:20 pm)
Is this another one of those truncated scales?
If the top guy is 141 and #12 is 35, that tells one story. If the top guy is 141 and #12 is 138.4, it tells a much different one.
I get a kick (look at my moniker) out of newspaper bar charts that make things appear totally out of kilter, right up until the y axis scale is examined. Often it's from 100 to 105, NOT from 0 to 105, the way most people (well, the 12 who actaully care about a bar chart and know how to interpret it) think it is when they look at it.
Enquiring minds. . .
#24118 of 24723 Re: OAC [hpowders]
Mar 03, 2007 (2:57 pm)
When you get into M territory, one is really talking about a weekend toy
You got it, Howard.
But from reading from Dman, Tag, and Dewey about my interest in an M3, they all write like its taboo for a Lexican to own a Bimmer ! What gives ? Of course I'd like a car that doesn't fall apart, so I want something reliable. I don't plan it as a daily driver either. The Boxster intrigued me, but the spouse don't care for a 2-seater, so that was ruled out. Hence the 330ci or M3. Seemed like if you wanna get a real sporty Bimmer, get an M, so an M it is for me... No swammy panzi pretend 3-series Now I read that you guys don't believe I'll ever buy an M ? I am disappointed in you guys, for having so little faith in me.... Is it bcos its a Bimmer, or is it that I'd never drive anything except a Lex ? Enquiring minds want to know..
Last time I was car shopping (Dec 2005), I was in between a Porsche Cayenne and an LX470. I posted on HELM and LG mentioned all the unspeakable problems with the Porsche, that pushed me over the hump towards the LX which I bought (spouse's ride). I recall also mentioning a desire to buy an LS460 (for moi), but then things changed and I needed to go in a new direction, hence going sporty ride this time.... Its a search that'll last until I find the perfect car, whatever that is... I am open to other ideas/suggestions beyond an M... Gotta be a 2-door and/or convertible.
#24119 of 24723 Re: OAC [oac]
Mar 03, 2007 (4:19 pm)
But from reading from Dman, Tag, and Dewey about my interest in an M3, they all write like its taboo for a Lexican to own a Bimmer ! What gives ?
taboo? oac, here is my exact quote from my reply to you regarding the M3...
"an M3 sounds like a very good choice for you and the wife, as would be the Civic for your teenager."
Mar 03, 2007 (4:24 pm)
What about an Audi? There's the S4 cabrio, and the upcoming S5 coupe and TT-RS. SLK AMG? If you want to go really hardcore, there's the Elise\Exige.
Mar 03, 2007 (4:55 pm)
Well, Oac, it's nice to see you are considering a BMW vehicle.
Instead of an M, I would check out the 335i coupe: M-like power (0-60 mph in 5.5 seconds) and BMW's best-looking vehicle, IMO. The reviews have been universally ecstatic.
FYI, the 335i convertible goes on sale this spring.
My 2005 545 has been flawless after 20 months and I do believe CR gave it an "unreliable" rating.
Plenty of BMWs out there and the company is doing well. People wouldn't be buying or leasing BMWs if major reliability issues were associated with these vehicles.
If you are considering a BMW, I sure would recommend you lease one. Very fair leasing deals from BMWFS with a great warranty. Nothing out of pocket except replacement tires.