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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#24108 of 24723 Re: Lexus vs. BMW [dewey] by hpowders

Mar 02, 2007 (10:12 am)

Replying to: dewey (Mar 02, 2007 6:34 am)
"BMW...may also become the number one luxury auto company in the USA by the end of 2007."
 
Yes, Dewey. There will be no stopping BMW's momentum.
 People crave to drive the best performing vehicle in its class, whether it's the 3, 5, 7 or X5 along with those eye-catching, breathtaking Bangle designs, which seem to be copied en masse by everybody else, these days.
 
It's about time that the USA gets in sync with the rest of the world: BMW is indeed number one.

#24109 of 24723 Re: Lexus vs. BMW [dewey] by syswei

Mar 02, 2007 (10:55 am)

Replying to: dewey (Mar 02, 2007 6:34 am)
Feb 07 Sales US Sales Numbers
  
BMW +15.2% at 22,274 (2/06: 19,328)
  
Audi 37.5% at 6,609 (2/06: 4,806)
  
Lexus 6.6% at 22,518 (2/06: 21,127)
 
4,418 of your YTD "BMW" numbers are actually sales of the Mini brand. Maybe we should lump in any Toyota units that are priced at or higher than the Mini when tabulating Lexus sales?

#24110 of 24723 Re: Predicated Reliability: [dewey] by reality2

Mar 02, 2007 (11:00 am)

Replying to: dewey (Mar 02, 2007 6:40 am)
Generally, I wouldn't respond to such an opinion, but I've owned 10 Audis and everyone one of them has showed no problems. My current three are a picture of perfection with other than only oil changes. I too have many friends that have Audis that experienced no problems. Try as you might to diss Audi as is the standard on this forum, the CR results are based on predictions not made up as some intellectual excerise, but based off surveyed results. Obviously, these trends represent a level of predictibility based off these results. There are always some cars from every carmaker that may suffer issues. However, surveys such as this represent the overall majority result.

#24111 of 24723 conusmer report by ctsang

Mar 02, 2007 (1:07 pm)

"For the real head-slapper, look at the bottom, the very bottom of the Consumer Reports' 2007 Annual Auto Issue, beneath Ford, beneath GM, beneath VW, the Koreans and even lowly Chrysler, now living in automotive limbo as its owners decide whether it's worth keeping.
 
Look at which brand the editors of America's most respected, if occasionally flawed, consumers' magazine say they could not recommend at all -- not its bellwether sedan, not its roadster, not its American-made SUV, not even its flagship S-Class, ostensibly a statement about who's behind the wheel."

#24112 of 24723 Re: Lexus vs. BMW [syswei] by dewey

Mar 02, 2007 (1:59 pm)

Replying to: syswei (Mar 02, 2007 10:55 am)
Syswei,
 
are you sure you are not mistaken? According to Reuters Lexus and BMW sales (excl. Mini) are about equal and even better BMW is growing at a far rapid pace than Lexus.
 
here are the Feb 2007 BMW US sales figures from Reuters.
 
Total BMW + Mini Sales = 24642
Total BMW Sales Excluding Mini = 22274
 
FRANKFURT, March 1 (Reuters) - German carmaker BMW's (BMWG.DE: Quote, Profile , Research) U.S. car sales rose 11.9 percent to 24,642 units in February, the world's biggest premium automaker said on Thursday.
 
Sales of BMW brand cars and offroaders rose 15.2 percent to 22,274 units powered by the 3 Series coupe and stronger demand for the X5 and X3 sport utility vehicles, while Mini sales fell 12 percent to 2,368 cars.
 
SOURCE: link title

#24113 of 24723 Re: Predicated Reliability: [reality2] by dewey

Mar 02, 2007 (2:07 pm)

Replying to: reality2 (Mar 02, 2007 11:00 am)
1. Toyota
2. Honda
3. Scion
4. Acura
5. Lexus
6. Subaru
7. Hyundai
8. Infiniti
9. Mitsubishi
10. Mercury
11. Mazda
12. Audi
 
Reality I am not trying to diss the Audi brand. I myself and the Audi drivers I know yearn to buy another Audi. Also BMW, MB and Porsche are not renowned for reliability.
 
What is so praiseworthy about Audi being #12 in the first place? It certainly doesn't mean much if you are Mitsubushi or a Mercury driver. Is reliability so important for luxury cars? Is it mere coincidence that the three top brands for reliabity are non-luxury marques? Apparently people are willing to pay premium luxury prices for cars that are not exactly the most reliable. For proof just take a look at MB's CR rank.
 
The virtues of owning a luxury German car are many. But I really find it hard to get excited about their subpar CR and JD Power reliability stats.

#24114 of 24723 Re: Lexus vs. BMW [hpowders] by dewey

Mar 02, 2007 (2:46 pm)

Replying to: hpowders (Mar 02, 2007 10:12 am)
It's about time that the USA gets in sync with the rest of the world: BMW is indeed number one.
 
Maybe the USA. But certainly not this forum .

#24115 of 24723 Re: Lexus vs. BMW [dewey] by syswei

Mar 02, 2007 (3:17 pm)

Replying to: dewey (Mar 02, 2007 1:59 pm)
You are correct, my mistake. I didn't look at the BMW release closely enough, and was fooled because they broke out SUVs separately.

#24116 of 24723 Re: Lexus vs. BMW [dewey] by hpowders

Mar 02, 2007 (3:48 pm)

Replying to: dewey (Mar 02, 2007 2:46 pm)
I would rather be right than share a widely held opinion that happens to be wrong!

#24117 of 24723 Re: Predicated Reliability: [dewey] by cdnpinhead

Mar 02, 2007 (5:20 pm)

Replying to: dewey (Mar 02, 2007 2:07 pm)
Is this another one of those truncated scales?
 
If the top guy is 141 and #12 is 35, that tells one story. If the top guy is 141 and #12 is 138.4, it tells a much different one.
 
I get a kick (look at my moniker) out of newspaper bar charts that make things appear totally out of kilter, right up until the y axis scale is examined. Often it's from 100 to 105, NOT from 0 to 105, the way most people (well, the 12 who actaully care about a bar chart and know how to interpret it) think it is when they look at it.
 
Enquiring minds. . .

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