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24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Total Total December January 2006 2007 Lexus 176 104 BMW 91 58 Mercedes-Benz 84 51 Audi 45 24 Jaguar 9 8 Aston Martin 1 1 Rolls-Royce 1 1
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Here is a link to a brand new AutoWeek article/review about the LS460L. Warning! LS460 bashers will be especially upset about its stopping distance. This has already been posted on the LS460 forum. However, it is also appropriate to post here as well since the article talks about comparisons with other high end cars. http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070223/FREE/70216008/1004/T- - - - HISWEEKSISSUE
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Replying to: cyclone4 (Feb 23, 2007 12:26 pm) My perspective on the brakes is this... (I also posted a similar post on the LS forum.) The negative information on the brakes started with the earliest of reviews. After additional reviews, there appears to be a majority of reviewers that have mentioned two issues with the brakes. The first involves stopping distances that are too long and are sub-par for this class of car. The second is what was often referred to as "grabbiness". I tested the car myself recently and wrote a fair and somewhat extensive review that I posted in the HELC forum. With regards to the brakes, I was not able to perform a measured stopping distance test, of course, but they performed very well, IMO, but I did notice that there was a touchy and sensitive nature to them that did indeed lend the brakes to being a bit grabby. I did mention, however, that I was able to get used to it for the most part, and that it was mostly noticeable at slow speeds and city driving versus braking from higher speeds. While there is a sensitive nature to the brakes, I would not call it a deal-killer for someone that otherwise wants the car. As far as stopping distance goes, the majority of test results should speak for themselves... and there does seem to be enough overall indication that the brakes' stopping distance might need to be addressed in the future. TagMan
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Replying to: ctsang (Feb 23, 2007 12:10 pm) TagMan |
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Replying to: tagman (Feb 23, 2007 12:33 pm) Tag, what are you trying to say here? The review states that the stopping distance is superb on the LS460L. Are you sure that the majority of reviewers are finding an issue with the stopping distance? Am I missing something here? As far as I know, there was only the C & D review that said the breaking distance was horrible. All the LS460 bashers took this as the Bible and refuse to acknowledge that there was something rotten with that original C & D review. How can two reviews be so totally contradictory? I believe the answer is simple. The C & D review, at least on this issue was full of you know what.
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Replying to: cyclone4 (Feb 23, 2007 12:49 pm) As far as the "grabby" (I'm starting to hate that word) brakes, I personally experienced them to the level I explained in my review. There is some truth to that. To say the C&D test is BS and the AutoWeek test is correct would be a case of picking and choosing the results that best suits us... and that would be biased of course. So do some homework and see what the others have said. Two opposite tests do not give a clear picture... in either direction. TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Feb 23, 2007 1:25 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Feb 23, 2007 2:35 pm) Personally, I find it outrageous that there should be such conflicting information about something as important as this. There is no excuse, IMO. TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Feb 23, 2007 6:57 pm) As far as the word "grabbiness" is concerned, maybe drivers that are more experienced with the LS would just call the brakes very responsive. Calling these brakes "grabby" is akin to saying a Porsche "lurches" forward when accelerating. This "lurchiness" is a trait that I have personally noticed in Porsches. Spin City.
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Replying to: houdini1 (Feb 23, 2007 7:47 pm) As far as the stopping distance goes, I'm not convinced. I'd like to see more test results. I still think it is outrageous for there to be such a large difference in those two tests. There seems to be a lack of responsibility and accountability, IMO. TagMan
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