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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24702 messages, Last post on Dec 17, 2009 at 11:48 AM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: tagman (Feb 15, 2007 9:51 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Feb 15, 2007 10:59 am) 
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Replying to: tagman (Feb 15, 2007 9:09 am) Jose |
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Replying to: tagman (Feb 15, 2007 9:09 am) Another thing is that this protects Porsche Holding which has been the distributor for Porsches, VWs and Audis. This would have been totally threatened if another suitor entered the game. It could be that this was everything behind it to begin with. I believe it was a major part of it. What grows from here is anyone's guess, I guess. 
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Replying to: tagman (Feb 15, 2007 9:51 am) One thing is for sure, a lot of people at Mercedes are definitely not behind "project X" aka "that Mercedes is just a gussied up Chrysler". I'm sure the guys at Lexus NA would love to hear that one. It will take many more years to even try and undo all of the damage done to Daimler AG by Mr. Schrempp, who presided not just over the Chrysler\Benz "merger", but the failures at Smart, the enormous quality slide at Mercedes, and also all of those bailouts sent to Mitsubishi on an ultimately failed partnership. For as much Criticism as GM and Ford get, they are far better at managing global auto operations than DB. |
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Replying to: lexusguy (Feb 15, 2007 2:30 pm) The sooner, the better. The domestic manufacturers are in serious trouble. The only hope I see for them is to leapfrog the competition into the future. Will it happen? There is a chance... if survival instincts kick in... soon. Japanese, European, Korean, and even Chinese players are going to be relentless. In the end, better products will emerge for buyers regardless of which corporations win or lose. TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Feb 15, 2007 3:12 pm) Ford and GM have very competitive mainstream products in Europe, but like Lexus, they only have a miniscule slice of the luxury market. Audi probably moves more A4s than European sales of Jaguar and Cadillac combined. Neither the X-type or the BLS changed any of that. Chrysler I don't think has anything. I saw a couple of Jeeps the last time I was over there, but that was it, and there were at least 20 Cayennes to every JGC, if not more.
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Replying to: lexusguy (Feb 15, 2007 4:16 pm) Unless they are banking on "Europeanizing" the U.S. market, they'll need future-thinking technology and styling to survive here. Fuel economy ratings must also improve as well as reliability. It's time for them to get people excited at the idea of buying a domestic vehicle... or else. TagMan
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Replying to: lexusguy (Feb 15, 2007 2:30 pm) I don't think I could've said it any better. For all of the sub-brands that GM and Ford preside over, they sure know how to make them work, seemingly better than the NA operation. Ford has finally gotten the bug and has tapped Ford Austrailia to help with the Ford Interceptor and Lincoln MKR concept cars, two cool looking cars that they better put into production, no matter what. And GM is really about to strike with the Cadillac brand being elevated even further upmarket with the next-gen CTS, DTS, and STS variants. Saturn is really looking good now. And Chevy and Pontiac can now sit next to the Toyota dealership without embarrasment as both brands have great product, even better next year with both brands going RWD. Chrysler on the other hand, well... When you have brand new '06 Rams and Durango's sitting on the lot for 9 months to this very day, there is a problem. The new Sebring want shake up anything. The Charger/300/Magnum can't survive with great sales forever. The P.T. Cruiser is long in the tooth now. So there are many things Chrysler has to do to even attempt to stay and/or become competitive. However, I have not lost faith in the domestic sector yet. They've been down before and bounced back. They all depend on us, so I'm not turning away now.
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Replying to: blkhemi (Feb 15, 2007 5:00 pm) TagMan |
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