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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: "So is every other car" [hpowders] by esf
Feb 13, 2007 (9:00 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Feb 13, 2007 8:51 pm)

TagMan got an A8L? In addition to his Carrera S?
 
I'm jealous...
 
'06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330
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Re: "So is every other car" [esf] by tagman
Feb 13, 2007 (9:42 pm)
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Replying to: esf (Feb 13, 2007 9:00 pm)

TagMan got an A8L? In addition to his Carrera S?
 
No esf... sorry. No such luck. Hpowders was talking about waiting for my impression of the A8L test drive.
 
Slight chance Thursday, depending upon schedule. Since the BMW and the Audi dealerships are next door to each other, I'd like to have enough time, if possible, to test drive both the Bimmer and the Audi.
 
TagMan
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Re: "So is every other car" [esf] by hpowders
Feb 14, 2007 (5:25 am)
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Replying to: esf (Feb 13, 2007 9:00 pm)

As Tagman says, he wants to test drive the A8L and the BMW 7 also.
 
I have given up on the BMW 7. BMW does not provide enough luxury to compete in the HELC price range. Its interior is not too dissimilar to that found in the 545.
 
 My HELC interest is in the A8. I sat in one and I liked the seats and felt that I was engulfed by a luxurious interior. But, I haven't driven one yet.
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Porsche will very probably take control of VW by jlbl
Feb 14, 2007 (10:51 am)
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European High Court Attorney has just proposed the Court to suspend the German Law that forbids Porsche to take executive control of VW, being Porsche as it is the major VW shareholder with 27% of the stock. The Attorney has proposed also to allow Porsche, confronting the German Law, to make a hostile offer in order to buy more VW shares.
 
It is thought that European High Court will very probably follow the advice of the Attorney for the shake of free concurrence within Europe. German Law actually protects the right of the German Federal Government and the State of Low Saxon, which are VW shareholders as well, to have executive control of VW.
 
May be VW will afterwards change for better its strange car model catergories!
 
Jose
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Re: Porsche will very probably take control of VW [jlbl] by reality2
Feb 14, 2007 (7:44 pm)
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Replying to: jlbl (Feb 14, 2007 10:51 am)

Well, here is part two of the story from the Financial Times of London:
 
"Porsche gains de facto control of VW"
 
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The State of Lower Saxony under the stewardship of Christian Wulff has given up the battle to prevent Porsche acquiring a 29.9% stake in VW, chairmanship and a number of seats on the Board. This now leaves Porsche free to increase its shareholding in VW from 27.4%. Reported in today's Financial Times, Wendelin Wiedeking will assume executive control of the entire group with Ferdinand Piech as a kind of honorary chairman above him. Given this situation, Porsche does not need to acquire any more shares in VW, although it could if necessary.
 
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It was obvious this was the goal of Porsche and to a certain degree Audi management.
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Re: Porsche will very probably take control of VW [reality2] by designman
Feb 14, 2007 (8:12 pm)
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Replying to: reality2 (Feb 14, 2007 7:44 pm)

Reported in today's Financial Times, Wendelin Wiedeking will assume executive control of the entire group with Ferdinand Piech as a kind of honorary chairman above him.
 
There's nothing "kind of" about it. If anyone is the Godfather of the German auto industry, it's Piech.
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Re: "So is every other car" [tagman] by esf
Feb 14, 2007 (8:50 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Feb 13, 2007 9:42 pm)

I drove the A8 SWB myself, when my wife was going to get one. As it turns out, we're buying a new house instead- new car is delayed until next year. Because of the hike in my house payments, she probably won't end up with a $75-80K HELC like the A8, unless she gets an S 4Matic or A8L that's one or two years old.
 
To get to the point... the A8 is fabulous. Nimble for its size, and yet it belies all the criticisms with its super-smooth ride. The interior, obviously, is beautiful, and the exterior is timeless. I highly recommend it. The BMW... well, I like it (I like every HELC), but there's no reason to buy it over an A8L. You have to want the badge. The ergonomics are terrible (not just the iDrive- check the seat controls!), and the interior execution, while clearly a step above its lower-priced cousins, is certainly not best-in-class. The driving dynamics are good, of course, but then again, so are the A8's.
 
'06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330
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Re: Porsche will very probably take control of VW [designman] by reality2
Feb 14, 2007 (9:09 pm)
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Replying to: designman (Feb 14, 2007 8:12 pm)

You are right, there is no "kind of" about it. Piech is in control of the VW-Audi-Porsche empire. Let's call it what it is now - an empire.
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Re: Porsche will very probably take control of VW [reality2] by lexusguy
Feb 14, 2007 (10:50 pm)
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Replying to: reality2 (Feb 14, 2007 9:09 pm)

Let's call it what it is now - an empire.
 
Which would be fine if Piech wasn't a megalomaniac who believes that the entire VWAG is under his personal control and only he knows how to run the show. His ego is bigger than "Dr.Z" and Mr. Ghosn's combined.
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Re: "So is every other car" [esf] by tagman
Feb 14, 2007 (11:17 pm)
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Replying to: esf (Feb 14, 2007 8:50 pm)

esf - I look forward to driving more of these HELCs in the near future as my schedule will permit, but I am only doing so for the enjoyment and experience... no additional ownership is planned at this time.
 
TagMan

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