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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

#23864 of 24697 Re: 2nd generation Phaeton slated for 2011 [syswei] by dewey Feb 09, 2007 (10:54 am)
Replying to: syswei (Feb 09, 2007 5:37 am) Why don't they just kill it?      Here's the ridiculous answer why the Phaeton will not be discontinued:   Dr. Winterkorn is saying that VW has to be visible with competence from Polo to Phaeton   Piesch through his crony Winterkorn are still calling the shots at VW. In otherwords VW will remain in denial and continue its brisk downhill slide in the auto industry.   Look out for another VW flop in the form of a rebadged Chrysler Minivan. This upcoming VW van is suppose to cater to North American tastes just like the Phaeton was suppose to cater to the tastes of North American luxury car owners. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Feb 09, 2007 1:18 pm) brightness04 (Feb 09, 2007 1:56 pm)
#23865 of 24697 Re: 2nd generation Phaeton slated for 2011 [dewey] by lexusguy Feb 09, 2007 (1:18 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Feb 09, 2007 10:54 am) Piesch through his crony Winterkorn are still calling the shots at VW. In otherwords VW will remain in denial and continue its brisk downhill slide in the auto industry.   No matter who is supposedly in charge of VW, Piesch controls the whole show at VWAG. It will continue to be his game until he's off the board.
#23866 of 24697 Re: 2nd generation Phaeton slated for 2011 [dewey] by brightness04 Feb 09, 2007 (1:56 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Feb 09, 2007 10:54 am) Very much agree. It is sad to see one man's ego ruining a pedigreed business like that; the downside of tight family ownership I suppose. Sometimes one almost has to wonder if Piesche is doing this intentionally so Porsche can pick up VWAG on the cheap.
#23867 of 24697 Re: I'm no where [dewey] by brightness04 Feb 09, 2007 (2:06 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Feb 09, 2007 7:40 am) Ads from 2003, 2004 and 2005 are not exactly lost forever. One can easily look up newspaper ads from that time period in a well stocked library. Even MB advocates pleading short memory have some idea what the real scores were back then. That's why the insistence on 2007 models. The thing is, there isn't even a $20k price gap in MSRP for comparable 07 models, so defending that price premium is a non-starter. Replies to this message: syswei (Feb 09, 2007 2:09 pm)
#23868 of 24697 Re: I'm no where [brightness04] by syswei Feb 09, 2007 (2:09 pm)
Replying to: brightness04 (Feb 09, 2007 2:06 pm) there isn't even a $20k price gap in MSRP for comparable 07 models   Actually we need to see an S450 before begining to talk about truly comparable models.
#23869 of 24697 Re: The A7 Again [dewey] by blkhemi Feb 09, 2007 (2:23 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Feb 09, 2007 7:48 am) I wouldn't be so fast, Dewey. This is still a computer rendering and I doubt highly that it will be green-lighted this way into production. For it to be the picture alone, this car doesn't seem to be at bigger than the current A4, a car that will inch up in size in '08.
#23870 of 24697 Re: Lexus Oil Sludge Problems [dewey] by blkhemi Feb 09, 2007 (2:26 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Feb 09, 2007 10:45 am) Now you understand why Lexus lost my business in '99 with the wifes LS400.   Didn't have oil sludge buildup, but continued piston slap(from day one), carbon build-up, and constant transmission problems plagued what would've been a nice car.   Funny, the CR of the year, the '01 S500 was flawless. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Feb 09, 2007 3:24 pm) houdini1 (Feb 09, 2007 4:37 pm)
#23871 of 24697 Re: 2nd generation Phaeton slated for 2011 [syswei] by blkhemi Feb 09, 2007 (2:28 pm)
Replying to: syswei (Feb 09, 2007 5:37 am) Glad to know we won't be getting it over here. The current Phaeton is still in production.
#23872 of 24697 Re: Lexus Oil Sludge Problems [blkhemi] by lexusguy Feb 09, 2007 (3:24 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (Feb 09, 2007 2:26 pm) Didn't have oil sludge buildup, but continued piston slap(from day one), carbon build-up, and constant transmission problems plagued what would've been a nice car.    Funny, the CR of the year, the '01 S500 was flawless.   The 3.0L V6 in my wife's RX300 was the exact engine from the range of years known for sludge buildup. When we turned it in with 80K on the odo, it never had a single engine or transmission problem, or any problem at all requiring an unscheduled visit to the dealer. Luck of the draw I guess. Replies to this message: houdini1 (Feb 09, 2007 4:37 pm)
#23873 of 24697 Dew by drfill Feb 09, 2007 (3:52 pm)
Yes, Dewey. The Chris Bangle influence is everywhere. See most 2007 Toyotas and Lexi; and now Audi! A great compliment to Bangle's creative genius!       Let's not break an arm patting Bangle on the back.     He did ruin the Z4, and the 3-series has taken a step back in style.     It's like Lexus thanking Acura for coming up with the Japanese Luxury sedan.     The only thing Toyota/Lexus can be accused of is executing the idea better.     Don't matter who does it first, but who did it best!     I'm sure someone invented the wheel (who was that again?), but everybody knows GoodYear.     DrFill

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